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Hanging might have something to do with it -- mine are mounted with u - bolts welded to the back then fit into a mount on top of a 4x4 - just like the plates used at the steel matches at old bridge I was kinda disappointed when I found the cratering -- I 1st noticed it with my .38 super but the .38 special leaves a welt also. Haven't tried anything else besides .22 rimfire. Maybe you have hardened plate and just don't know it

I've got full 1/2 inch thick mild steel plates 10" circles. Shoot them with anything but .22 rimfire and the face gets a crater. Even .38 wadcutters will leave a dimple. The plates don't bend, just the face gets cratered. Now I happen to have a decent supply of 1/2 mild steel laying around. If I had to buy steel specifically to shoot at I would spend the money for the ar500. Well worth it.

Harry, 1st off I'm gonna clean up the trigger trying out this -- Poor Man's Trigger Job (courtesy of 1911tuner) I also turned a NM barrel bushing to fit the slide and am sending it out for a fitted slide alignment cone along with slide enhancement package from ZRTS -- ZRTS GSG & Sig Sauer 1911-22 Deluxe Enhancement Package I picked up an adjustable rear sight last week that needs a little fitting. Nothing for the front sight yet but I'll figure that out... I'm really wanting to try out doing some guncote or some sort of finish to the frame while it's torn down but I probably won't. Other than that, not much... Jer

Nick -- you only got me by 5 seconds in Pistol Iron Jake did good - 4th in pistol rimfire iron

Your right -- If I didn't have the stuff to make it work I couldn't have done it so cheaply either -- As for my house -- I'm in a ranch -- No stairs to deal with-- I do have a basement -- all but 1 room is over basement -- Happens that the 1 room with no basement has outside access also -- safe is there Used wheel loader with a set of forks to get it close then 6X6 runners for the rest of the way outside -- Safe on pipes to roll it on runners -- Once inside plywood protecting the floor and a pallet jack to move it into position Difficult and slow going but possible -- I just happen to have the right situation to make it work

I certainly didn't go out and buy a truck and trailer just for moving a safe -- Nothing is ever free -- on that particular day it was of no extra cost to move the safe -- Just time and fuel and yes, that puppy is in the house -- without needing a garage to do it

600 pounds --- That's nothing -- My safe is in the ballpark of 2600 pounds, cost me $200 -- Craigslist. When you get into the better, real safes, the used market becomes the place to buy. Guy had the safe listed for $800 - Said he had a ton of people want it but they couldn't figure out how to load it into their small economical car and nobody wanted to pay for delivery He had a bobcat on site, I came with a tandem axle trailer -- Used a wheel loader on my end to place it in my garage where I nuked the interior and turned it into a gun safe. Took a little work but I've got a safe thats not a residential security cabinet. 1 inch thick steel all around including the door. It's fireproof supposedly for 90 minutes. Easily changed combination lock, just needed the $6 key from ebay The point is -- A real safe doesn't have to cost thousands if your motivated.

I'll have to say the GSG isn't perfect out of the box -- But at $299 what do you expect. It is a great platform to start out with and very upgradeable -- Mine's having surgery now -- Should be ready in a couple weeks

My local PD won't let me do more than 3 either. I can get an extension if I don't use all 3 in the 90 days but I need to write a letter to the chief begging for him to extend the permit. It is a PIA.

What's the rush? I got my last sign off 2 weeks ago. I keep forgetting to contact Rich to see what I have to do next. honestly, I'm in no real hurry to need work hours and pay off the rest of the year - only downside to probationary is no guests

I wanted to go to friday nights shoot too but I never seem to get home from work before 8pm no matter how hard I try --- Sundays are the only time I know I can make it

I'll throw some in my bag -- Don't make Jake carry them around for nothing...

The clay bird won't care if the shot came from a 20 or a 12 -- I reload both 20 and 12 -- 20 gets 9/16ths ounce of shot and the 12 gets 5/8ths once of shot -- right now we shoot #8.5 shot -- Clays break the same with both guns

Joe, Stock 10/22??? Need mags??

I still don't know if I'm making it

Thanks guys -- we're going to take you up on this --- Guess I better put in for a few permits

My GSG is on the bench completely apart -- Getting a little tune up I'm going to shoot my colt 1911 in 45 ---- Looks like we're going to be wrestling for brass this time around -- Just be sure I go home with more brass than I started with and all will be fine Jake will shoot the ruger as always

That heritage doesn't rent guns --- No range there -- You rent a gun, shoot it at their range, then return the gun. You never leave their building. Has to be Heritage in easton.

Harry -- That was the thought behind OBRAMS -- Get him started with the USPSA format with a .22 rimfire -- I just did some reading at USPSA.org , I can't seem to find anything on minimum age requirements -- Maybe your right, scratch the .22 and start right in with a 9mm -- I'd have to find a 9 that fits his hands, maybe a 1911 9mm -- He really needs single stack to be able to get his hands around the grip -- I don't own a 9mm -- Never really liked the caliber -- It might be time to take Mike up on his offer and go shoot some different stuff and see what Jake likes Jer

Thanks for the help guys we both appreciate the support from fellow shooters ... But rules are rules. Iggy did contact me with the requirements and we'll work on fulfilling them. He might be 14 before we get everything done. We've never seen one of these matches before but I'm going to try and shoot this saturday and Jake will be spectator if he decides to tag along. Jer

No problems with 20 at all --- My 12 year old son has been shooting skeet with a 20 for over a year. We have 2 20's sized for him. Current remington 870s in 20 use a smaller receiver than the 12 so finding accessories became problematic. No one makes anything for the small receiver. From what I understand Mossberg uses the same receiver size for both 12 and 20. I'm not sure what the current market is for shells -- I reload my own -- 20 is cheaper because I put less shot in the shells --- 5/8ths of an ounce of # 8.5 goes in our skeet loads. I've got my 12s down too -- 9/16ths of and ounce in them seems to break clays just fine

I will Jim if we can make it... If not I'm sure there will be plenty to go around

You don't need a shotgun of your own -- They will provide. You only need a gun for the shooting portion anyway not the walk thru.

You're on your own with this one

Thanks for the pics and video -- Was a good time as always