Kingsoverqueens

This months newsletter mentioned they made a rack with simulated pins. Good stuff. I'm shooting in the ducks unlimited match Saturday with my friend Rich. You can call him Dr. Richard. I'm not sure who else is in our squad but am confident they are from the upper echelon of high society. In between shooting we'll be enjoying virgin mimosa's, which is basically orange juice, and snacking on PB&J (with the crust cut off) finger sandwiches while we speak on very important topics of conversation. I hope we will have a few spare minutes to break away from our group. I'm sure someones driver can run us over in the club golf cart to observe the great unwashed participate in your cute event. : )

Anyone going?

Well, I had a few minutes on Saturday to chrono some rounds. The press was modified to +/- 1.150 COAL and 4.2 to 4.4 gr of 231. I weighed each measure of powder and recorded the results. The crimp is at .377. Using Extreme 124 gr rn. 10 rounds test for each gun. The results are at home, but I'm sure that everything out of the M&P Pro was clean (no tumble) and all rounds made power factor. I had one minor tumble out of the PX4 and some results around 975 FPS, give or take. I had 4 tumble/keyholes out of the 92FS and similar FPS results. These two Beretta's are going to be bane on my existence. lol I'll post the actual results and photo's of the suspected tumbles tomorrow.

I'm not last! And I didn't DQ! Does a nasty paper cut from a target make me an operator?

LOL. One of my other on-line buddies was teasing me too. He said I looked like I just came from the company picnic.

ka-pow....right in the kerniggy. I just lost 45. 15 to go to hit my goal. : ) Then it's going to cost a fortune for cloths that fit me.

My food bills are my second highest expense...right behind my mortgage. Family of five. It's insane.

I'm all but positive its not my crimp. I measured at the case mouth and it was at around .373. I had a few rounds of factory ammo on hand and it measured .377. Anyway, I tweaked the crimp up to mirror .377 anyway. I pressed out 50 rounds recording the powder measure for each (between 4.2 and 4.4 GR 231) and then measured every round after setting the die to 1.150 coal. I'm using mixed range brass so it's plus/minus that number. Then I ran off another 50 but didn't record the measure of powder this time (powder check was in place) but did measure the coal. For some reason they measured out as long as 1.155....1.158....1.162. I even had one at 1.168. I need to check that when I press out more in the future but for now I'll just see how they perform. Everything is on a grid on a piece of paper. Now all I have to do is remember to load the magazines in the correct order and I'm ready to record the results.

You guys have spelled it 3 different ways and I still don't know what it means. I know I could look it up, but what fun is that?

I opted for a Sig 522 instead of the M&P22 and while it was enjoyed initially I haven't shot it in forever. I always seem more interested in working with the handguns and I'm probably going to wind up selling to fun a Glock or AR purchase. Nice to see that others are still enjoying their AR/22's. My experience has been kinda meh.

Don't think it's velocity because I'm making power factor, and in same cases the faster (hotter) rounds are tumbling and the softer ones don't. There is no direct pattern. Too much crimp is a possibility but I'm leaning towards the the projectile or the coal being too short.

lol

You mean factory? Couldn't say. I don't think I've ever fired factory ammo from the PX4. I never had an issue when fired out of the 92. I have 2 Beretta's...a 92FS and the PX4. I get a rare tumble out of the 92 but have had multiple out of the PX4 and from what I'm told on the Beretta forum .356 dia bullets perform better. I considered picking up a box of factory ammo for testing purpose, but it makes me feel dirty to buy ammo now that I reload.

The President issues the special use badge, not Roddy. At least he issued mine. If you go to the bowling pin match make a point to introduce yourself to Art Q. (match director) and ask him to observe you make ready, draw, and show clear. Ask him to do so on the side if necessary. This way when you go to the meeting you can tell him that another BOD member supervised you. You shoot from the table but still have to go through all of the other steps to charge the gun and make it safe. The same is true if you were to shoot rimfire at a steel match. Generally you shoot that from the low ready. I say generally because you aren't "supposed" to shoot rimfire from the holster but I shoot my M&P 22 or Beretta Practice kit from the holster and nobody tells me what to do. So there. Anyway, if the President accepts the Steel Match he should, in theory, accept the Bowling Pin Match.

I've been having tumble issues out of my Beretta's, primarily the PX4. Someone suggested that the bullets I use (Extreme 124 gr rn) aren't wide enough at .355 dia and suggested that I use .356 dia like Berry's. Anyone have a small supply of Berry's to trade for an equal supply of extreme's? Say 100 count? I need to experiment.

Who knows. One of the BOD told you that only matches at CJ count yet me and someone else used match results from Old Bridge.

I like it better when my kid is there. He usually reloads my mags and acts as a brass whore all in one. This allows me more time to focus on making fun of you and Ted.

Wish I could be there. I'd make Mets fan do it wrong. "For your first string you need to stand on one foot." "Yes, I know, it's odd, but what do you expect?" "You are shooting at BOWLING pins for crying out loud" Hilarity would ensue.

Ouch.

4 mags is preferable, but if you don't have all you have to do is ask and someone will help reload or top off what you have. Just don't ask Mikeythumbs because he doesn't know the difference between a snap cap and a live round. Point being is that don't not come if you don't have 4 mags. I'm not shooting the event but will be on site participating in some high brow shotgun event, but I've been stockpiling rotten tomatoes from my garden in the hopes I have a few minutes to meander over and pelt the crowd after a proper heckling.

I'm not unhappy. I'd never done it. Don't have any of the "right" equipment. It was fun.

Yes noob. May I call you noob? You are going to get smoked and then we are going to post your results on the interwebz and point and laugh as you make the walk of shame back to your car. We will also make fun of you if you dress funny. : )

Yes. This would be a great first match, followed by the members only steel. Both steel (member and public) matches are user friendly. The member only steel usually has a smaller turnout. But don't be intimidated by any of the events. Come out and shoot. You'll find that as long as you are safe you are welcomed with open arms. The range officers will work with you and I haven't met a participant yet who wasn't willing to help load magazines (if you don't have enough) or offer pointers on how you can improve.

I would have gone down head first like superman. lol

Yeah...umm....no. Sliding down a wooden ramp? Splinters in the hiney, no?