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Two important words: GroundHogs. Or is that one word?

It's FACEBOOK. Its not the NewYork Times or Washingtin Post Anybody getting their emotions jacked up over FB should remind themselves it's FB. It's akin to expecting sanity from a frat house The best thing I ever did in my life is remove myself from that last year. My life is so much calmer now. Now the only thing that jacks me up is you fellas on here! Lol. Thank god I don't ever have to see a pic of a guy with a pistol on his nuts unless it's linked here. To me it's all downside being on FB

Well this is close. But boy that big is just crazy for NJ

Okay. So then with the olympic you can use ANY lower (and the proper dedicated upper) and you are good to go? It's that simple? Or does other parts of that upper need to be configured (like is the ramp or extractor unique) to that olympic magazine?

I saw a guy who had an AR that was dedicated 9mm. What i liked about it was that the magazines looked like "regular" AR mags. When i start researching 9mm ARs it appears 90% of what i see is ARs that use UZI type mags. For my taste that ruins the look completely, it looks incomplete. So before i waste anymore time can someone give me a quick review of ARs that use a "regular looking" magazine? Is it just a special magazine, or is the lower actually unique? From what i've read guys use a regular lower and install a "magwell block"? (or something like that) to use the UZI mags. That's whats making me wonder if the only way you an use a regular looking AR mag is if the lower is indeed unique. I already know about what is different in the upper (like the bolt etc). Its just the magazine thing i'm really fixated on. I could really swear the magazines were full size.. they might not have "curved" much.. but they were full size 223 looking. So if anybody can give some info, or products, or links to this type of setup it'd be much appreciated.

Vlad: And you speak the truth yet again. If most people are plinkers (like me) I always forget to keep that in prospective. But hobbies are addictive nonetheless. Some guys get an M3 and never get near a race track

I have a great suggestion to this debate and believe me I always think this debate is useful I think it boils down to putting real dollar figures into it. I think newbies don't really know how much the upgrade parts are. All they see is a tricked out AR for $1300 and the sport for $600. It's impossible to know if the 600 plus all the upgrades would cost more or less than the 1300 right out the gate If i was hiring an "AR consultant" I would ask please provide me with a parts list for a quality rifle that would total $850, then parts for $1200, then one for $1500. Then the rookie can decide ahead what he's getting for the dough. Or what I'm trying to say is did the OP all in now spend 300 more or 700 more after his ad ons ? I Love the paintball message above. I hope you guys understand what I mean here. Frankly I would love to sit with a guy and build a dream rifle and pay him 10 percent build fee

It's the Passaic county Adjusters office. I haven't inquired in over a year. But the one time I called the number right off the website a fantastic woman actually picked up the phone and I was nice and said "is it possible for you to tell me when my application came in?". And in 30 seconds she said "yup it's right here and we sent it back the next day. We try to turn these around same day" In other words it was not a county delay it was local PD delay. So of course never believe what the local tells you Again this was over a year ago. But I was amazed a human answered the phone there and was so accommodating. But maybe it's different now. Just google Passaic county adjuster

Would it be a pain for you to run through what you ordered assembled and what you did yourself in the class? Like was the upper complete? Or did you order the BCG seperate? Etc etc. I'm sorta trying to gauge how much you did in the class

The flow doesn't look as large as it used to be. But thats a good thing. By order they removed the "flash boards" that kept the water up at least a foot higher, maybe two feet. Its a godsend to us that live upstream though. Too many floods lately

I hear ya loud and clear. It was more a question about is that base rifle with all the "mil spec" and "thick barrel" and stuff was that just fluff or a quality item vs say the MP Sport which is a 600 rifle. Like what is a better combo the above or the Sport + that optic + the handguard? (but of course NJ compliance too)

http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/featured/psa-16-pa-15-hf-ss12g2-carbine.html the way I see it is the optic alone is like $400 right? Then you get that handguard and some rails. Is that $100? So now we are down to a "bare rifle" for $550. Do the specs on that rifle make it worth $550 (before NJ work) vs say the M&P Sport NJ version that has been popping up for $600? I'm trying to figure out the details like does it have forward assist.. a dustcover etc etc.. i'm not in the market actually for a rifle.. but i'm always trying to learn good deals or not.

awesome collection B.. i'm jealous.. but I think we are drifting from the intention of my post.. it was how do guys store their high-end sporting shotguns. Like if you had a Silver Pigeon would it be in the same stack of long guns there? Through some PMs and good info above I will now store mine assembled. But OBVIOUSLY my HD shotguns are stored assembled, what I wanted some clarity on was do guys store their $2,000 shotgun right next to their $299 Mossberg 18"? I have just learned what the "sock" is. (no jokes please!) i'm going to get one of those.

I definitely did not intend my post to be about an ammunition discussion, but the above talk is excellent. What drew me to the article was that you have such a storied history company like G&H acknowledging that an AR TYPE PLATFORM is here to stay. And the old school hunters hating all the attraction that black guns have brought to gun laws. (and forgive me for the real knowlegable people here that will laugh thinking there is similarities between the R15 and a Carbine).

was refreshing to read G&H acknowledging technology in rifles.. me sorta being new to long guns.. I thought there was this old school stigma that hunters despised black guns..(or maybe it was shotgun guys hate black guns). i'm not sure... anyway, the quote: (bold added by me) The young hunter now goes to more physically extreme limits and wants a light, accurate, reliable semi-automatic hunting system. Blaser was the first to change the goal post with their straight pull action and target type accuracy on their R93 and now R8 hunting rifles. Already the Remington R15 and R25 are considered, in knowl- edgeable circles, to be the American affordable hunting rifle of the 21st century. It may at the moment carry the “AR” stigma but when one looks back to all the military issue rifle systems, WWI saw the Springfield 1903 and Mauser actions, favorite customized sporting hunting rifles for decades after WWI. Then came WWII and the Garand, a semi-automatic rifle, the semi-automatic then became acceptable as a hunting rifle. entire article is here: http://www.blackriverjournal.com/pdf/TheBlackRiverJournalSummer2013Issue.pdf

do you keep your expensive shotgun, Beretta, Benelli..etc (please no jokes about whether that is high end vs Krieghoff.. ha ha) in the factory or other gun case in which you keep it disassembled? Or do you keep it assembled and in the vault? The reason i'm asking is really for security reasons. There is no doubt that the factory case where you keep it disassembled takes up A LOT of room in the vault/safe. And I don't think anybody believes the blue Beretta plastic case is tamper proof. So how do you store it, and are you comfortable with that security? And when I mean security I don't mean a lock on the trigger to keep the kids away.. I mean like the kind of security against burglars as we discuss ad nauseam regarding vaults on this forum. A case in the vault will take up about the space of 3 long guns not in a case. Is the factory case mostly for travel or is that where the baby is supposed to sleep all the time?

I'm glad my ears have not been sacrificed in vain and this post helped others.

Have those already.. want something stronger.. I know it sounds insane but I just don't think they are good enough.. if I am to continue with this hobby/sport of mine I have to feel completely sure I'm getting the right protection. I had a scare 3 weeks ago doing the clay shotgun thing and i'm over-paranoid about my ears now. Voluntarily induced or involuntary? :-) Okay, so hunted says he is okay with his not blocking out full sound.. I can put my dilemma to rest if anybody who has Surefires and can set theirs to full block out please do the TV experiment above for me.. I think maybe I just need a larger size.

like I said above.. i'm already doing that.. and yet I still want better protection.. so that's why i'm trying the Surefires. I just can't believe the mediums are working correctly that way.. I bought the EP5 MAX BLOCK. If I can still hear the TV fine how can that be protection for me. I'm not going to even take a chance with these in the range and "cross my fingers" that I wont' be insanely ringing after an hour. The only thing I can think of is that I need the LARGE gels to form a better seal.

i put foam plugs and muffs on and I am still concerned about shots being too loud. I just ordered both the medium and small Surefire EP5 max block. I just put the mediums into both my ears and I can hear my TV set on normal volume perfectly fine. I kid you not. I have my tv set to regular volume. I put both EP5s in and I can still hear every word being said on the TV. I'm sure they are all the way in I can almost feel them touching my insides.. Could my ear canal be so large that I need the Large EP5s or do I just have bionic hearing? This is pissing me the hell off! For you guys who use the Surefires... Please do a test and have the TV on regular volume and then put them in and be honest and tell me if you can still hear dialogue clearly (well I don't mean "clearly" but if you can still make out what people are saying). If you say no I must be a freak of nature. Am I gonna throw more money down the drain on experimenting with more ear protection?

That pricing is strange because a couple of days ago their price on the AR tactical box of 375 worked out to be the same price per round and usually that box is cheaper per round than the mini mag. So the AR tactical box was not a value if you believe the mini mag is better quality

i'm impressed this thread has stayed civil.. I posted the article yesterday morning then deleted it thinking it would go down the tubes fast.

I've become uber-paranoid about hearing protection after a scare (careless move on my part) a couple of weeks ago. I've just ordered Surefire Defenders to use instead of foam plugs (which I believe let me down outdoors). Indoors I still use my Howard Leight electronics but because I've become paranoid I don't even switch them on lately. And when I used to switch them on I kept it at the lowest setting just past "click". Do you guys who use electronic ones keep the dial halfway up? do you really believe that it only muffles the dangerous pops? For those that wear electronic and hear dialogue fine (so dial turned up) you still fee like you've got good protection? Maybe I just have very sensitive ears.

How about air soft the first couple of times to see if he has muzzle discipline ? My nephew has an AR15 airsoft and points it at people constantly unknowingly

I think most guys put a piece of tape on the slide with some witness marks on it so when you are slamming it back in you have a reference And do guys use bore sites in pistols? I figured you just start firing to test it. It's only 10 20 yards tops no?