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I heard another week or two you should start seeing them more. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Same here. All my guns were bought local except for one. Love the personal service and biz relationship. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

I hear ya....

Then make one. The satisfaction in the long run would be worth it. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Like I said, significant savings is one thing. But the comments about the LGS being rip offs is a pretty blanket statement. It was made with a fook them attitude by the other fellow. Just trying to make a point as to why. If that is the final analogy, then all I can say is stay out of stores and keep those types of comments to yourselves. (I never said some are not ripping people off and usually that is evident especially when prices are set over suggested retail). But in most cases, it's not fair to them that don't. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

They don't get it Ty... like talking to the wall. They sound like our lustrous politicians. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Did you read any part of my post or just ignore it? Read the facts and stop guessing. Do you know how big that online retailer is in square footage and stock? Take a guess why some are cheaper. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I've been saying this like forever.... So here is a lesson.... Let's start with local gun shops or any small retailer. Most LGS are small retailers in my opinion. You can no longer call most of them your big one stop shops. That is because of mostly the internet and retailers that have large multi-item products like Ganders, Dicks or any of the well known ones. Now back to my analogy. I had 5 online stores years ago. I dealt directly with the manufacturers, (usually the owners of the companies)... That means I left out the middle man, ie;, the distributors. When you deal with the main company, (or that matter even some distributors), you have guidelines which are restricted. They may give you about 3 different scenarios depending on their policies and they will NOT deviate just for you. So choices may be, Tiers, Bulk Buys, -OR- pay full wholesale no matter the cost. - If you are in tiers, they may start you out and the most expensive tier and say to you, "when you show significant sales, we will move your profit margins up to the next tier. That can take time unless you have a product that people will rip your guts out to get to. - Bulk Buys are just that. You want to sell 'their' products, you must possibly buy thousands of dollars in product. For example: 50 models of 3 of their most popular guns. Most new stores whether online or brick and mortar may not be able to do that unless that's the only product they will sell which is hardly the case. - Then there is pay their highest wholesale price and like it. On top of all that, you have MAP pricing that they may not let you post. That is even if they let you do MAP pricing. These are the goings behind the scenes. Now referring to big box stores vs. you as a merchant. - Example: I use to sell online, expensive BBQ grills not normally found in big box stores. Normally small authorized specialty stores.Some of these grills wholesale each, were in the thousands easy. The companies were popular and these stores sold tons of them. So I was able to make a decent profit and still offer good prices even being guided by their wholesale prices. They wanted you to make sales and make money so they catered to you. I did pretty well. THEN! Big name stores like Sears and Fortunoffs to name a couple started selling them. My profit margin went down, they no longer let me post low prices. When I asked why, they said because we don't want to lose a national account like Sears or otherwise and you are their competition. Gawd forbid little old me with my small business will hurts them, but that's their mentalitiy. Hence, I was no longer special. Now, regarding local gun shops as a merchant. (This applies to any merchant)... There is overhead. Just to name one overhead item because we all know they pay rent or pay mortgages on their buildings, is MERCHANT FEES. While Visa and Mastercard are not the worse, you have Amex which will protect the consumer, but they kill the merchant in fees because their is no interest in their regular cards. So they have to make money somewhere. I've been out of it. But I was paying for Visa and Mastercard, a fee of about 2.2% per charge plus a fixed fee. I never charged credit card fees to the consumers because most products gave me a decent margin. So I ate the fees. IF company wanted me to sell their product, if I couldn't make a decent profit or they forced me to post suggested retail prices while the big guys discounted theirs, I turned them down. And there were quite a few I turned down. So let's wrap this up. Going by what is posted above in what vendors say gun markups are. If they are making only a small margin on new guns and paying fees, then John Q Public cheapskate comes in, presents a credit card and demands a nice discount, forget it. They will tell you that they can discount it IF you pay cash. That may mean they are not making much money on it already. So you see, it's not about just fees, but rent, insurance, you name it, works into every product they sell. Profit may be nil at some points if they give you the deal of the century. Thinking that they are ripping you off is not impossible, but you need to weigh the differences yourself. How? You ask yourself, is this a new store, are they small, are they older mom/pop, etc... Look at the store itself. Is it big, well stocked. Do they only have a few models compared to others. If so, they may be locked into a wholesale groove they can't move from. OK, and for accessories. Just like the cell phone market, they give away a lot of phones for free with a plan, but they also sell accessories. That's where most of their profit is. Most made outside the US. You might by a cheap bumper for your iphone that costs 10 bux, but costs .25 cents wholesale. The retailer can afford to buy 100's or so if they know they'll move and not worry if they get stuck with them. So yes, they make profit that way. I can go on and I'm already long winded here, but you get the gist of it. Bottom line: The FU attitude about LGS is what kills them. I closed all my stores down because sales plummeted in lieu of the bad economy at the time and competition from the big stores. It can happen to any retail business especially when you have unique items. Yes, guns are unique items. You can't buy them in a lot of places. So you hopefully as with any product, find a location that will buy your products. My take is this. I pay cash when I can. Even if I save up for it. A LGS may even let you make payments on a layaway basis. Especially if you frequent them. But I draw a line too. What hurts sometimes more than anything is the effing Tax. That's on Uncle Sam, not the stores. Don't blame them. But even if I get a discount at a LGS and the savings are no where near what an online sale will get me, then the old rule, money walks, yadda yadda. If I can save hundreds elsewhere and avoid paying shipping and tax, I'm there. But if I only save 25-50 bux, I will give the sale to my LGS. As others have said, I'd rather have the hands on and personal treatment then not. One ast thing, I don't do this and retailers hate it. Go there, drive them nuts with a million questions, then come back a few more times and do the same thing, then go buy online or elsewhere. I'm shouting this: YOU ARE WASTING THEIR FOOKING TIME AND YOU ARE A SCUMBAG! You want cheap prices? Take the chance and buy sight unseen.. You either sacrifice knowledge and hands on for prices, or you support the little guy! Can't make that any clearer. My conscience will not let me do that because I know companies that suffered shit like that as well as myself. I may help you the first time for a few minutes, but if you keep coming back over time, I will tell you, sorry, no time for you today. ...:: Hopping off my soap box! ::.... Sorry for the rant, but I'm tired of people's BS when it comes to this type of crap.

Can't DL targets, but there is an app for that. There, I said it! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Boink

Wonder why? They bad quality?

I don't buy any of the negativity. It's all about people that are hard dead set against something they don't believe in. I have both DI and GP and they are fine weapons. We are not running and gunning in the desert or jungle. If you want light, go DI cause gawd forbid and extra few ounces will kill you. All this crap about parts breaking and stuff. I'm sure some of you keep spare parts for your ARs no matter which. Don't yaz? The dirt piling under your barrel, pistons breaking, blah blah blah.... I literally shot the shit out of my GPs and the only thing I got was a burnt hand from grabbing the effing barrel thinking it was cooled down. So unless you really fall prey to everyone's gripes, don't get one. If you want to convert one, Adams is the way to go. If you just want a prebuilt rifle, there are plenty GP ARs appearing on the market. Don't let anyone dissuade you. They are fine rifles. Fine enough obviously because the military is starting to trust them. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Always with the negative waves Moriarity! Always with the negative waves. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Never recalled mag probs. everything was dirt related, dirty ammo, etc. Here are/were the main complaints. - The M16 was billed as self-cleaning (when no weapon is or ever has been). - The M16 was issued to troops without cleaning kits or instruction on how to clean the rifle. - The M16 and 5.56×45mm cartridge was tested and approved with the use of a DuPont IMR8208M stick powder, that was switched to Olin Mathieson WC846 ball powder which produced much more fouling, that quickly jammed the action of the M16 (unless the gun was cleaned well and often). - The M16 lacked a forward assist (rendering the rifle inoperable when it jammed). - The M16 lacked a chromed barrel and chamber, causing corrosion problem, contributing to case swelling and extraction failures. (This was considered the most severe problem and required extreme measures to clear, such as inserting the cleaning-rod down the barrel and knocking the spent cartridge out.) Once everything was addressed, there were improvements in reliability. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

The conventional AR/M16 imho, hasn't really changed much in all these years. Other than the M4 design, it's really no change other than material and such. The prob they had with the M16 was more shitty ammo related than design.... Yea, the jungle swamps weren't kind to it, but as you can see, it can be over come with some quick wipe downs. Even a dunk in water was fine. Just dump out excess and back to boom. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

-Delete- That was weird, double post. Must be bad ammo. Lol.

Very interesting. Really sad how much the M1A failed.... great for benching, not sure how they even dealt with it in the firld all those years....

Nobody wants to trade some ammo? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I have one of the original batches and no probs. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

All the explaining and arguing I've done and all I had to say was Fook You? Lmao.... Those words I usually replace the last period in my sentence with because he's right. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Ok, sorry for the delay. I prefer not to ship ammo. Do not think it is legal, but here is the count... This is what's in above photo. .357 - Will trade for 2 boxes 45acp 25 rounds S&W 125gr JHP 95 rounds Rem 125gr SJHP 44 rounds unknown grain. Think they are Rem JSP Total: 164 rounds. Also have about 50 rounds once fired shells .38 - Will trade for 2 boxes 45acp 12 rounds S&W 38 +P JSP About 28 empties, same. 50 rounds M+D 158 gr SWC 50 rounds S&W grain unknown, JSP Total: 112 rounds .38/.357 5 rounds CCI Bird shot - whomever takes the 38/357 stuff, free.. 30/30 - Will trade 1 20 round box 7.62/308 23 rounds Federal 170 gr HiShock SPRN Think that covers it. Total batch of rounds = 304, (Not counting empties)... Let me know if any of this is fair and if interested. Willing to let you sub different ammo. I currently own 9mm, 45acp, 40S&W, 45LC, 223/5.56, 308/7.62..... Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Anyone want any of this? Couple boxes are partial. Some just spent rounds, but for the most part. All complete. Maybe trade a box or two of some other stuff I could use like 45acp or something. If so, I'll do a round count tomorrow. I've been painting, so doing this in between paint breaks. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

I did say that. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Been doing some major house cleaning and turned up a like new box of .308 180gr ammo. Purchased from Sport Authority when ammo was cheap and they sold ammo. Also found boxes of 9mm and 45acp CCI Blazer which use to cost 10 bud a box. Wish these days were back. I also have revolver ammo of 38 special, 357 magnum etc. Couple boxes of each which I'd trade for other ammo ... I'll post pix in the list section once I take a round count and a photo.... Here is the $8.99 ammo just for a look back and say ahhhhh. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk