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Thanks for the link and those pics... It was just the inspiration I needed to grab my first Mosin.

agree w/ above. She needs to contact LE and get out ASAP.

I'll say this though, if the manager hadn't been there, it would've been a real pain dealing with the kid at the counter. When I asked if they had the 20ga bantam in stock he started looking around and then was like "I'll have to check our book" meanwhile I'm staring right at it. So I pzoint to it as go "pretty sure that's it". He looks at (it's next to a .22 w/ a 16" bbl and says "I think you're right, because this looks like a 12ga" pointing at the rifle. : facepalm:

Ugh, guess I should make an appt for this broken tooth... Thanks for the post

You don't have to take possession of the gun by the end of year, right? Just have to buy before then?

I'm pretty sure it's standing in place. This post (though about static, not knockdown) has some good info on tenafly steel matches. http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/61934-gonna-shoot-tenafly-1013-static-steel/?hl=tenafly And I'm sure someone will be along shortly to add some info (topher?)

Went to Dick's in South Plainfield & bought a youth model shotgun, no problem. P.S. it was the Maverick 88 that's on sale Black Friday. Only paid $30 more to avoid the madness & possible out of stock issues.

Of course, this is going to have the opposite effect that the grabbers want it to. For instance, I've a got a 20+ handgun wish list that I was planning on buying over the next 15-20 years. Well if this looks even 5% likely to happen, I'm getting another side-job and going on a buying spree, including a bunch of stuff that was way down on the list and might never have been bought. And I'll probably add a few more. And some pistol caliber carbines. And reloading equipment/supplies. NJ gun-haters: Stupid, myopic fascists.

Discusses the specifics re: NJ http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303755504579208602749375392 A law that injects technology into the gun debate has lain dormant for more than 10 years. Now it may be about to wake up. In 2002, New Jersey passed a law saying that once technology is available to prevent a gun from being used by an unauthorized person, only that type of handgun may be sold in the state. Now, a German company, Armatix GmbH, is close to putting the first such "personalized" handgun on U.S. shelves. The model, called the iP1 Pistol, can be set up to fire only when its owner is wearing a special watch that communicates with the gun. The New Jersey law, the only one of its kind in the U.S., mandates that within three years from the date such a gun becomes available in any state, all handguns sold in New Jersey must include technology to limit their use to specific people. The Armatix model already is available in Europe and Asia and will "almost certainly" reach U.S. stores by the end of the year, according to Belinda Padilla, the president of Armatix's U.S. arm. The iP1 Pistol will cost $1,399 and the watch an additional $399, Armatix said. That is a significant premium over a Glock or Smith & Wesson SWHC in Your Value Your Change Short position handgun, which costs in the range of $400 to $500. To use the Armatix, the gun's owner must enter a five-digit passcode into the watch, which then communicates wirelessly with the weapon to unlock it. The user can set the pistol to be active for one to eight hours. The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives approved the weapon for importation into the U.S. in 2011, and earlier this year California, which has some of the nation's strictest gun laws, approved the sale of the gun. California is the only other state so far to consider a requirement for personalized handguns; a bill has been passed by its state Senate and awaits action in its Assembly. A federal law similar to New Jersey's was introduced in May, by Rep. John Tierney (D., Mass.). But given the chilly reception Congress gave to a package of gun laws earlier this year, proponents aren't optimistic. The new technology is being monitored closely by both sides of the gun debate. Gun-rights supporters fear the New Jersey law will limit options for gun purchasers there and in other states that may follow suit. Gun-control backers hope the law spurs further technological advances in weapons across the country, which ultimately could lead to a drop in gun-related injuries and deaths. For the law to take effect, the state's attorney general must certify that a pistol model for sale in the U.S. includes personalization technology and meets "reliability standards generally used in the industry." At the end of the law's three-year phase-in, the only handguns that could be sold in New Jersey would be personalized ones. But the law wouldn't affect guns that residents already own. A spokesman for acting New Jersey Attorney General John Hoffman, a Republican, said "we understand the statutory obligations [the law] places on our office," but declined to comment on the Armatix model. New Jersey Assemblyman Michael Patrick Carroll, a Republican who voted against the bill, said there is no movement to try to change or overturn the law. "Too many people in the legislature just truly don't like guns, and don't believe that people need them," he said. Supporters say that if the Armatix gun isn't the one that sets the New Jersey law in motion, another model will. Guns often mentioned include one by an Irish company called TriggerSmart Technologies, which is activated when the user slips on a special ring or bracelet, and the "Intelligun," by Kodiak Industries of Utah, which uses a fingerprint-based locking system. "The technology is here," said Nicola Bocour, a director at Ceasefire NJ, a gun-violence prevention group. "Apple is using biometrics with its smartphones. Guns are next." Backers of New Jersey's law and signed by then-Gov. James McGreeveyhope it would cut down on suicides and firearms accidents, especially those involving children. "Our thought was that the bill, if passed, would save lives every year, without infringing anyone's rights," said Stephen Teret, a professor of public health at Johns Hopkins University who helped New Jersey craft the law. But gun-rights groups say a provision that exempts law enforcement from having to use personalized guns undercuts the measure. "The law itself acknowledges that this technology is inherently unreliable," said Andrew Arulanandam, a spokesman for the National Rifle Association. Backers said they didn't extend the law to police to prevent complications in the bill's passage. A gun-industry association, the National Shooting Sports Foundation, said that while it doesn't oppose "the development of owner-authorized technology for firearms," it does oppose legislative mandates. "There's little consumer demand for these products, and they haven't yet proven to be reliable at all," said Larry Keane, a senior vice president at the group.

Congrats. For my money, that is the single nicest gun in production.

That would have been my exact advice: Buy an M&P 15 and a good, cheap lower (ie $60 PSA).

Same. My cars are parked right outside our bedroom window. That alarm goes off and they'll have a flashlight (at least) pointed at them in less than 30 secs.

Petty thieves do go car to car looking for unlocked (ie easy) targets. Of course, if they're set on getting into your vehicle, they will. Not locking might save you the cost of replacing the window, but it might also make it easier to teakes the car (no lock = alarm not set in most cases). It's s trade off and both have their advantages/risks.

So, if you want to add an optic, you might want the 500 (or the rem 870). For an HD gun, the Maverick 88 should cover most of your needs. My turkey shotgun is a Maverick & I'm hoping to snag a 20ga/20"bbl youth model 88 on Black Friday as a bedroom gun.

The 88 is the 500 with a cross bolt safety vs tang safety (hence trigger groups are not interchangeable). Also the receiver on the 88 is not drilled & tapped for optic mount & no built in sling mount like the 500. Lastly, the forearm is different. Otherwise, same gun.

lol. ratdogs

Yeah,I think that question came out wrong. I've never been to Bullseye, so I was really asking if the prices are good. FWIW, the last rifle I bought was from a local shop where I happily paid more than online/Dick's.

Dick's will have the 870 for $269 on black Friday http://bfads.net/Black-Friday/Dicks-Sporting-Goods/Ad?page=9#viewer Get there at midnight. They'll go fast

Congrats! And double congrats on going with a wheel gun as your first.

Chrome

probably waiting for the next round of gun control drama to drive up the price

My last set took 5 months. New permission slip submitted 10/30. We'll see...

I have a vicious circle thing happening because of NJ's stupid permit scheme: Permits are pain to get, so I'm always applying. Then I don't want to waste them, so I'm always looking for something to buy. Right now I have 3 guns paid for and 2 permits in hand. So I put in for more permits (3 of them). Which means I've got two more guns to buy. Rinse, repeat.

Of course, in this confiscation scenario, they're going to the original owner, who'll point the finger/COE at you. And you're back to square one.

Here's the ad: http://bfads.net/Black-Friday/Dicks-Sporting-Goods/Ad $169.99 Maverick 88, $399.99 Remington 700 plus other deals.