Gunrunner26

I agree, so NRA are you out there???

Hey NRA where are you guys! Give us a sign???

Thanks folks I think I have it. I mistakenly kept saying 1994, when in fact NJ banned them in 1990 before the Feds did in 1994. So If I have this correct, when NJ banned the AR's they were banned no exception you either got rid of it, or in some cases could register it, but there was no grandfathering of the guns even though the Feds did when they banned them in 94. So now that NJ has no 'current ban" it (NJ) could either a. grandfather if the feds do, or B. say no way get rid of it. So basically all those who currently own one in NJ just kind of have to sit and wait? Bummer, just bought a $1600 DPMS. Looks like money down the drain - possibly!! Merry Christmas! Hope we all get through this somehow.

Ok still a little puzzled?? Let's say a ban on Assualt wepons comes to pass and there is a grandfather clause and NJ doesn't honor that provision, like happned in 1994. Did anyone out ther encounter that situation, and if so wht did you do?? Hid your guns for 10 years? Sell them turn them in what?? And did you have notice (time) in which to take action, like next month if you have an AR in NJ you go to jail, so you have 30 days to get rid of it?? Anony have answers??

Were you given notice that by a certian date you had to get rid of it? Did they actually come looking for guns. Did you need to produce a receipt of sale??

Ok, so what did owners of Assualt wapons, who lived in NJ when the Clinton Ban took place, do when NJ did not recognize the grandfather aspect of the law?? Was there a buy-back? Did they just turn them in and say goodby, could they give them to somone in another state. So what happened?? At the time I only had bolt action rifles and several shot guns. Times are different now, with an AR type on hand? So what happened..

Thank God excellent show.

Yes it will. I am not a quitter and will fight the good fight until the end but how do you fight mass media making everyone of us who enjoys guns and shooting sports look like well, I will ues the term they called us when we retumrd from Nam "baby killers" ! Looks like the 60's all over again. At least todays young heros who fight for our freedom are respected. Can't say the same for those of us who fought and died in that other war...

Give me a break! Where will all this end - seriously! Case in point. Took a GFH class the other day. They gave us T-shirts. So put it on and road home. Then went out to the local supermarket (jacket over the shirt) well I moved the jacket to get at my wallet and this woman comes running up to me screaming "how dare you wear that? Guns kill everyone!" I stopped, thought for a second, and said I guess they missed you! Checked out and went home. True stroy! No more NRA stickers on the truck! I guess we have to become closet gunners! Glad I am old and won't live to see the day when we no longer can heve them. Time to fight back.....

No true read:As far as I could tell by reading her proposal she would grandfather people. Her language ssay as follows: Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) says she will introduce a gun-control bill on the first day of the next Congress: "It will ban the sale, the transfer, the importation and the possession -- not retroactively, but prospectively --" of "assault weapons" as well as high-capacity magazines. By not retroactuvely I believe that means what happend in the past will remain and that prospectively means what will happen in the future. can't say what NJ will do but I do know a bunch of folks will probably move or give the guns to relatives out of state (yes illegial I know)

As far as I could tell by reading her proposal she would grandfather people. Her language ssay as follows: Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) says she will introduce a gun-control bill on the first day of the next Congress: "It will ban the sale, the transfer, the importation and the possession -- not retroactively, but prospectively --" of "assault weapons" as well as high-capacity magazines. By not retroactuvely I believe that means what happend in the past will remain and that prospectively means what will happen in the future. can't say what NJ will do but I do know a bunch of folks will probably move or give the guns to relatives out of state (yes illegial I know)

As far as I could tell by reading her proposal she would grandfather people. Her language ssay as follows: Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) says she will introduce a gun-control bill on the first day of the next Congress: "It will ban the sale, the transfer, the importation and the possession -- not retroactively, but prospectively --" of "assault weapons" as well as high-capacity magazines. By not retroactuvely I believe that means what happend in the past will remain and that prospectively means what will happen in the future. can't say what NJ will do but I do know a bunch of folks will probably move or give the guns to relatives out of state (yes illegial I know)

Anyone want to make a small wager??? BY this time next year there will be another "Assault" weapons ban in place. There will be a ban on Mag capacity probably not to exceed between 10- 15 rounds (like NJ has now). They will grandfather in all pre existing owners prior to the ban taking effect. (too expensive to collect 4 +-million gnus). They will institute a yearly registration fee(tax) for owning an AR or any other gun for that matter, just like we pay for car registration renewal. Now here is what I think will happen down the road after a year: Any person who wants to buy a gun of any type will need a mental health physical( checkup) don't laugh pilots (privet and commercial) have to have a physical (not mental) to maintain their license. And (GFH will love this) everyone will have to take a training class. Folks it is coming. But if the world ends Friday, we won't have to worry. Think I am wrong, save this and we will see in a year.

Thank you for thet insightful information. It is greatly appreciated.

This is a no win situation for law abiding gun owners. People are angry, rightfully so, by this senseless act. The shooter is dead, the gun owner is dead, so there is a need by the masses (especially the press) to assess blame. The only thing left to which blame can be assed is the gun! The inanimate object that has now become a symbol for the root of all evil in America. We, as law abiding gun owners, are now guilty by our association with guns! We can argue until we are all blue in the face about our violent society, video games, loss of faith and the list goes on, for a reason to make sense of what occurred. But those arguments will never stand up to the faces of dead children, the crocodile tears of Obama, the liberal media, and a general public sentiment that guns are bad, they can kill, and people who own them (legally) are all out there in the lunatic fringe. Obama, like him or not, is smart and sly. If the US signs the NATO treaty then the US will be at the mercy of what other countries dictate with regards to gun ownership and control, without congressional approval! So no worries, no fight in congress, just sign the document and in the dark of night are rights disappear. With public sentiment squarely behind gun ban advocates there is little anyone can do except wait and see how far the bans go. Will owners be grandfathered, or will they have to turn in their arms. Will pistols also be banned? The fallout from this one 30 minute act of violence is about to shape the American landscape, with respect to gun control (banishment), for generations to come. I am not advocating we as legal law abiding gun owners simply give up, yes we need to fight to maintain our rights, but I am not optimistic about our chances given the climate that currently exists. The press is against us, the general population is against us, parents are against us, and once supportive legislators will be hard pressed to support us, less they be labeled insensitive toward the deaths of children. I fear this uphill battle may just be too steep a slope to overcome. On December 14, 2012 America lost two of its most precious possessions, innocent young children, and our freedoms.

I worked in a large HS and we had 2 full time SRO (school resource officers) regular city police stationed in the school, armed, full time. Their pay is covered partly by the district and partly by the town. However they are more than just cops in school. A big part of what they do is interacting with the students, and have gained their trust, as well as protect them. This all came about after 9-11. They are great people and are now part of the culture of the school. At first there were concerns about having armed people in the school, would kids be scared, would it be like a jail. But after a time everyone accepted their presence and they are now just an everyday part of school life and viewed as just another part of the staff. God forbid a situation should arise similar to CT, they would be there. Is this the total answer? No, but what is it they say about an ounce of prevention.....

Been reading these threads for a while now and there are valid points everywhere. Sitting back is not the answer. You have to believe that politicians are basically lazy and will look for the simplest solution, which is to simply ban the sale of Aw's. Not sure about ownership once the ban takes effect. Any smart people out there know if the Obama can just pass a law without congressional approval banning AW's and their ownership? NRA should engage in dialogue like yesterday with those who will be making decisions. Obama and the Dems have the advantage. Obama is now backed into a corner, you have to believe something will be coming down the road and it doesn't look good. The media will pound on this for weeks and weeks and sway public opinion. How do you defeat the killing of kids, constant photos of crying parents, and big money anti-gunners like Bloomberg and make the general public believe that guns are not evil? Any thoughts? I am willing to fight, but where to start???

Already on it!

I agree, we are about to see the 2a trampled and most guns banned. It's going to happen. The NRA can't fight the media and the deaths of 20 kids caused by gunshots. Not sure what to do now. Probably sit and wait until they come and take all my guns away. Sorry to be so negative, but does anyone here really think a gun ban won't happen... Anyone????

CT Medical Examiner just stated the primary weapon used was the Bushmaster.

Excellent point. People bent on mass destruction will always find a way. I fear that stricter gun laws will be an inevitable result of this incident. You have a president with nothing to lose (no reelection) who is basically liberal, along with a congress who will be inundated by calls from parents (rightfully upset and concerned) as well as anti-gun groups, to "control" guns. Under these conditions Congress is bound to relent and some type of new legislation will almost definitely be enacted. Not sure we will see the total confiscation of guns from every citizen, take place. But I do see challenges to 2A. Elimination of internet sales of ammunition, ban on certain kinds of ammunition, ban on "assault type" weapons, further reduction in magazine capacity, perhaps even a ban on all semi-automatic weapons (pistols and Rifles). You have to believe something is going to happen. With the frenzy whipped up by the media, and the liberal climate of today's society and lawmakers I feel gun owners are in for serious trouble. Yes this was a tragedy of monumental proportions and the words stated here are not intended to diminish that fact. I have grand kids in elementary school and my first call was to my own children asking how they were. So I can understand, to some degree, the pain that is going on. As posted before we are all about to be impacted by this senseless act. It is not a matter of if, but when.

I fear all we are in for a long battle with regards to gun control. The liberal press is going to have a field day with this. How does the NRA even begin to do damage control when you have a situation like this involving kids? You really cannot win. Anything you do to try and mitigate the situation makes you come off looking like an insensitive SOB!!

This is a tragedy which is almost incomprehensible. There are no words that can describe the sorrow of 18 innocent children to being killed. A ban on guns would not have prevented this, for this person was deranged in a way few could even fathom. It turns out he was after his mom who was a teacher and took out her class along with her. Who could even conceive of such a thing? Yet we live in a society which has become desensitized to violence, so what can we expect. Banning guns is not the answer, for this insane person would have found other means to carry out his plan. Why was he allowed in the building, wearing battle dress carrying weapons?? Didn't anyone bother to look at the CCTV?? Procedures at the school were obviously not followed. Because of the horrific nature of this heinous act involved young children those who endeavor to ban guns, will surely use this as their focal point and I fear not even the NRA will be able to stop strict gun control legislation from being enacted this time. Obama basically said as much when he addressed the nation today. My heart goes out to all the parents who lost their children. Nothing will ever ease their pain. It appears that today many people have lost a great deal.

This topic may have been covered before, but I am new to the site. My question relates to the transporting of firearms, specifically pistols, to the local range and back. I have a range bag (bought from Midway very nice) with internal zippered pockets as well as external pockets. I travel by pickup truck with a crew cab, so the bag usually sites behind the front seats. My questions are: Does this bag constitute a secured container even though it doesn't actually lock? If the pistols are secured inside, and the ammo in the outside pockets, is this enough to be considered having the two separate. Should I just use a lockable ammo box and carry the bag now having 2 separate containers. Thanks for your thoughts on the matter.