Old Dog

While some States are passing laws to restrict guns, Florida has just passed a law that amends the existing gun laws so as to allow teachers to carry guns to school. However, the law leaves it up the principals as to which teachers can carry. Unless you lived in a gun friendly State you have no idea of how the whole culture and beliefs about guns can be so different. You can talk about guns while getting your hair cut or talk to the girls and guys painting your house. Most are pro gun and it is rare to start a gun discussion and have anyone oppose what you say. Some may not agree with you but they will keep their mouths shut as they are a small minority. So now we have laws that say teachers can carry in school if the principal permits it. We continue to pass pro gun laws despite Zimmerman and Newton as we do not see the instrument used by the criminals as the problem but rather the criminals themselves.

I do not think the problem is medications and mental illness. If you do your research you will find that mentally ill patients may do things that get a lot of press but they account for a very small percentage of gun deaths. Singe digit percentages. The problem is figuring out what is ailing our society that makes people want to kill. We act as if only the mentally ill use guns to kill as we fire a drone into a civilian populated area to kill a single terrorist and count the dead children as collateral damage. You do not have to be crazy to kill and in fact, the overwhelming majority of killing is done by sane people. Let's stop making the mentally ill the scapegoats here as that is no different than putting blame for the ills of a society on a race or religion. As for the drug issue, most prescription drugs have beneficial effects on those who take them or they would be pulled from the market immediately if there effects were so common and obvious. Some have unwanted side effects but no matter how many, it still is a minority of people taking that drug. We argue that it is not right to punish those who obey the law for the sins of the few criminals who abuse it when it comes to gun control. The same applies to those who take legal drugs. Should we exclude anyone who takes a drug from owning a gun because 1% of the people who take it have bad side effects that may make them violent? When we start passing laws based on the actions of a few, we are doomed as a nation and letting ourselves be controlled by the few bad apples in our nation. I think that the terrorist have already won because we bankrupted our country by pouring billions into security and taking precautions against anything that is possible. We let ourselves be searched an undressed to fly in a plane. How much do we spend in money and giving up our rights to save a life? Do we spend a billion dollars to save one live? How about two lives? Like it or not, life is a risk and we have to let it remain that way because we cannot remove all risk and danger without giving up our liberty and freedom. Word!

Heck, we should have all fired our shotguns outside all at once to celebrate. Not only would it be like fireworks but it would also scare off every criminal and rapist in the area.

For me the most fun is with a 9mm using cheap ammo but nothing beats the sound of a .45 hitting steel to make you feel like you have a stallion in your hands.

I was a member of the OBRPC when they first allowed .22's and you are absolutely correct. I shot the first match that a .22 was allowed in and give up after Stage 2 as the targets were not falling and I was running out of extra mags. I got rid of that gun the next week and never shot a .22 again. Now I have a .22 mag. LCR for a BUG and a nice S&W I bought for Bowling Pin shooting. It is perfect for that sport or Steel if they ever bring it back here, with a few 10 round speed loaders.

I think that what happened in Boston highlights the fact that whether it be a firearm or pressure cooker, the people behind the violence are the problem and not the tools they use. We will be no safer with more gun control than we would be with no more pressure cookers. People hate people and Americans and no manner of weapon control is going to change that and there are too many ways to kill to ban them all. I think some people get that now.

Maybe now Obama will just keep his mouth shut and stop using distraught women and children to do his arguing for him. If he cannot even pass a bill through the Senate, it is a strong message that no one really likes him except the woman and tree huggers that voted for him. I still believe that he won his second term because the Republicans did not field a good candidate rather than on his own merits.

I own guns in 6 calibers for that reason. I usually can find ammo for one of them.

With Bud's you really need to look at the model number and not the picture. I know a few people who bought based on the picture but the gun was not the same as pictured and Bud's even warns about that. So check the model with the manufacturer's website or other reliable source. I just received what I thought was going to be a green handgun cabinet to match my green gun cabinet but when it arrived it was black. Seems that the online store used the same picture for both models and nowhere did it say what color it was.

I have to just remind you that as a federal officer you know that hearsay is inadmissible as evidence. Just watched three CNN reporters make themselves look like fools for reporting for authority that a suspect has been arrested in the Boston Marathon bombing based on a reliable source. Turned out to be wrong. That is the problem with hearsay, no matter the source. On the other hand, lack of documentation does not mean something is not true; just unproven.

I normally buy things that I want when I want them and to heck with the price. However I am expecting to see a lot of firearms being sold after this current panic subsides as I know a lot of people who just bought guns, never unboxed them, just because they thought they would be banned; even those not even mentioned in any gun control proposal like revolvers. Eventually I believe that as the fear subsides and demand drops drastically, market forces will drive the prices back down to a reasonable level and a lot of people who bought guns that they have no intention of using, will be looking to recoup some of what they spent for them. I fully anticipate individuals trying to sell their panic purchases for close to what they paid for them and it will be like the housing market where the inflated values of homes met reality and the only way to sell was to lower your asking price. I have bought 3 new guns this year as prices began to rise but they are guns that I would have bought this year for my birthday and xmas as carry guns to be used every week. They are already selling for $100 more than I paid for them so I think I did the smart thing. However, I have withheld purchases for guns that I just want for fun range shooting. They can wait for prices to stabilize and supply to exceed demand.

PICTURES or it is not a hollow point!

Looks like we have an intelligent person here who knows what the meaning of gouging is. It is basically raising your prices above market for essential goods that cannot be bought elsewhere. A lot of people do not understand the difference in cost to run an online business and a bricks and mortar one where you have to pay staff even if you do not make a sale. Shore Shot cannot order 500 Glock mags and get a really good wholesale price. They buy a few and have rent, salaries and other costs to keep their range open. We seem to want an open and free market economy except when we think the prices are too high. If they are too high, no one will buy their mags and they will have to lower their price. The fact that people are buying their mags at their asking price is proof that their prices are not too high, just too high for you. Price is what you pay and value is what you get. As far as sales tax goes, that is not a fair factor as legally you are supposed to declare all out of State purchases on your tax forms for which you owe sales tax. I assume that everyone declares such purchases and pays the applicable sales tax when they file their taxes. Someday they will make all online purchases subject to the sales tax of the buyer's state and city.

These days it is not so far fetched with revolvers mass produced for .45 acp. .380. .40, .32 acp and 9mm However, the STI logo gives it away. Now if it said Kimber.........

No problem but yeah, not everyone knows who you are.

They are going for over $60 around here. The funny thing is that I bought 4 .22's when I saw this coming figuring that I could keep on shooting with cheap ammo but now with the price of .22, it is not cheap anymore. .22 is not like 9mm, I can go through a few hundred rounds before my addiction is satisfied. I sold off two of my .22's already and thinking of selling another as one .22 is enough to feed for right now.

I can buy that scary argument as when I lived in NJ they banned me from being seen in public naked.

I used to shoot knockdown and Steel challenge. The former is knockdown targets and the later static. I am unfamiliar with the others but they are all fun regardless. I prefer the static type steel events because a hit anywhere counts. With the knockdown, sometimes you can hit them and they do not go down if not adjusted properly or if you hit them wrong. Plus first timers spend too much time watching them fall rather than shooting the next target right away. Go to them all and see which you like.

Simply post a sign stating that it is a mouse free area. That should work.

I never figured out why NJ has restrictions about carrying JHP ammo. It is now common knowledge that they are safer and more effective. Gone are the days when they were called cop killers and dum dum bullets. I do not understand why bullets that have less chance of penetrating objects and people, and therefor less collateral damage, would not be preferred over FMJ that can penetrate a lot further and through more kinds of materials? Perhaps I should not be using the word reason and NJ Gun laws in the same sentence but I have always been curious as the reason for the restrictions on JHP use for carry. If it is something stupid like they are considered more deadly than FMJ bullets I give up on NJ entirely as the use of deadly force implies deadly force and how can one bullet kill someone more than another?

Wow, I just learned that you guys go through the NJSP for NICS. No wonder there is a backlog and so many delays. Here in the Gunshine State the FFL just call NICS directly and in a few minutes you have your OK. The worst I experienced was at xmas when it took 20 minutes and people were not willing to wait that long and said that they would come back the next day. There is no NICS backlog. I bought 5 guns since January this year and two of them were in the last two weeks. Five minutes or less and I was all done. So whatever you are being told about NICS is really about the NJSP. There is no delays with NICS. It is working just fine. Your State is the problem. Does the NJSP also do their own check or what is the purpose of using them as a middle man? I can see it as an effective means to keep track of its citizens and even slow the flow of firearms in the State. As an outsider it just seems to me that gun owners are slowly being subjected to more and more roadblocks and wondering when does the straw that broke the camel's back appear or will it ever as long as gun rights are slowly impinged upon over time so as to be given out like bad tasting medicine, a little at a time to make it more palatable? Heck here in the Gunshine State they cannot even pass tighter gun laws despite all the negative publicity from the Zimmerman case. Nothing ever came of that except a committee report that said keep the law the way it was but make it clear to understand for LEO.

Thanks. It seems that NJ uses their State Police to go through NICS and sometimes uses faxes. Here in Florida we go directly to NICS and NICS is not backlogged at all despite having half a dozen guns stores in spitting distance of most homes. The NJSP is backlogged and since the State is anti gun, I would not expect them to do much about it as it slows down the flow of firearms and that is good in their eyes. If they tried that down here they would have a real revolution on their hands. What a difference a State makes. You can close this tread as I got my answer, shocking as it was.

I often read that it takes days to weeks for a NICS check in NJ and wonder why. NICS is a Federal program and should me the same as down here in Florida and yet it takes all of 5 minutes to run a NICS check over the phone. I have bought about 36 guns over the last 2.5 years and never a long wait. The longest I ever waited was this past xmas on xmas eve and that took about 20 minutes. Bought a gun last week and another the week before as well as a few during the last few months and the NICS check was always done quickly in a matter of minutes. So why does it take longer in NJ and why all the talk of a backlog? Is NICS broken down by State? If so I would think that a State like mine where guns are very easy to come by with no one gun a month rule would have a much higher volume of NICS checks than NJ. Does anyone know the real reason because a backlog seems like a bogus excuse that you guys are being fed. There is no backlog here or in other States some of my friends live in.

And here I am with two available locally. One an IBM made one from WWII with 5 high capacity mags and 500 rounds of ammo. The other a Thompson reproduction NIB and I am trying to think of a reason to buy one.

In Florida, traffic cameras are on the way out as it seems that the company who installs them ends up with the lion's share of profits. They are viewed as profit making machines. The other problem is that you cannot meet your accuser and there is no way to prove you were the one driving the car when it was speeding. In any event, since this one case, many localities are removing them and judges refusing to admit the photos in evidence. To fight the legality of traffic cams is an expensive proposition and best undertaken by an organization. I do not know how you can fight photographic proof if it is acceptable to the courts of NJ without bringing up the issues of legality.