ryan_j

Yes, if it's the tens or hundreds of thousands, it will scare them. But in other states like NY, CT and CO, they showed up en masse and still got steamrolled. Understand, these legislators aren't there to forge goodwill with voters. They're there to do as much damage as possible and get away with it. Even though Colorado recalled two senators and one more resigned, you can be sure their gun law isn't going to be repealed. NY SAFE is also a done deal. CT enhanced SAFE/AWB is also a done deal. You need a complete takeover to reverse. So showing up is nice but there has to be heads rolling for them to pay attention.

It would be simply awesome if they produced a standby inverter generator. A fully automatic standby that will not cost me $1000 in propane to run for a week and ran all of my electronics without issue? Want.

You can assert your right to remain silent. That said it's hard given how law enforcement is trained to investigate and interrogate.

It's not hard to amend this to include people with non-resident permits. Not hard at all. Why is it not being done? That's why I'm not supporting it. They want us to support it? Great. Throw us a bone and don't screw us over.

They stack the deck to the extreme. You'd THINK that up here in Sussex County we'd have an easy time... but no way. To make matters worse, we're paired with Morris county so some cases go there, and they're not as pro as we are.

I think the biggest problem will be acceptance. Some might not take it thinking "fraud."

You don't always have to pay a toll heading West. Maybe down South but not up here. There are a good few Delaware river crossings that are toll free.

This is Van Drew's bill. Mike Carroll also introduces one called the citizen's protection act which basically makes us like most other shall issue states. Never makes it out of committee though.

Pretty much. Similar thing for the armed forces. You could be stationed all over the world, but how you're taxed depends on what state you claim as your state of residency. You can't escape being part of a state.

You can't be a US citizen without a state of residence is my point. And yes, NJ is ridiculous but this is bigger than NJ.

I would say YES because he might get desperate to salvage it and go all pro gun to win votes.

It's kind of ridiculous but think of it - you are a citizen of the US and the state in which you reside. When you move you actually change your citizenship to that of another state, believe it or not. If you're not relinquishing your US citizenship, you're not actually moving.

This, absolutely this.

I realize you guys get a hard on and get to beat your chest by saying "never going to happen" but is negativity really productive?

If I could just ignore the fact that Bernie Sanders would be my Senator I could live there... but I think I'll choose TX or one of the Carolinas instead.

Yes. You must unload them, place them in a locked container in your car trunk and drive straight to your new home. I would recommend extreme discretion in states like NJ, NY, CT, RI or MA. If you're in a SUV, van or other similar vehicle, a dark colored blanket to cover your firearms and visible firearm cases is well advised... don't have any visible gun cases out. Drive carefully and obey all traffic laws so as to not attract law enforcement's attention.

They may not but the reciprocity agreements may still stay in force as a relic. Remember that some states specifically do not just offer "non-resident" permits. They offer their permits both to residents and non-residents. So those would likely remain untouched. But they may not. Who really knows. I predict massive screwage for us, which is why I don't support this bill. Saying FU to the NJ Government is fine, but this seems like it's saying FU to all NJ citizens including NJ gun owners. Just say no.

One of the guys I was working with at the NJ2AS booth at the GSOSS show told me that the NJSP sent his permit to the wrong barracks.

Here's the original thread: http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/36319-denied-by-the-city-of-paterson-now-what/?hl=%2Bpaterson+%2Bdenied Here's the decision: http://www.judiciary.state.nj.us/opinions/a0498-12.pdf

yeah but a PA LTCF is super easy to get.

If they skip this one they may take one out of Hawaii. That one is more cut and dry where they basically admitted that even though they have a statute, they just don't issue any permits. That's similar to NJ but a bit more extreme, if that were even possible!

So I'm guessing not screwed now?

Seems like a pattern among the NJ 2A community. The Jeremy Perez thread regarding Paterson's illegal extra forms also had a bunch of people saying to just comply... I wonder when we'll adopt the attitude that to get stuff we need to fight for it. I'm talking about for bigger things, like permit delays and CCW.

The worst thing is that even though I'm paying $2 extra, I've still been waiting a damn long time. I'm waiting since October for permits from NJSP. My town doesn't have a PD so we use NJSP.

I'm saying no because that deals purely with state law and not constitutional issues.