Stonecoldchavez

Thanks T-Bill. Yes, definitely .45 ACP. I do not know the difference between internal vs external extractors, even though I have seen it mentioned several times on the forum. Any reference sites for me to look at?

Hello all- Now that my permits are in and I used the first one on the SW 686+, some of you here have gotten my on the 1911 kick too. I am looking at a few mid-entry models (no Wilson Combat, Les Baer, Nighthawk, etc. models). I am a newbie to 1911's and only know from what I have read here from all of you. I am looking at a few for my 2nd permit purchase. Looking between $700-1000 realistically. If the 1911 has better features out of the box, than I would be willing to spend in the higher range. For my 3rd permit choice I may consider and I am looking at another revolver. I will list my choices below and would like some suggestions, both pro's and con's about each, full size vs. commander size, etc. Thank you. 1911's Ruger SR 1911 Springfield Range Officer (looked at this already. Slide was not very smooth; seemed rough) Para Ordnance Expert or Elite Remington 1911 R1 Sig Sauer Nightmare Sig Sauer Tacops (looked at this one and the slide was smooth as butter) Revolvers Preferably .357 SW Bodyguard 38 SW J-frame snubby Ruger LCR or LCRx Ruger Vaquero Umberti 1873 Cattleman Thank you, S.

Finally, after waiting 12 weeks for my P2P's to come in I picked up my SW 686+ 4" .357 yesterday. I wanted to thank all of you who gave me your advice and imput. I also wanted to mention that I purchased it at Howell Gun Works and I am pleased with the service from the owner/partner Tom. He answered all my questions. I would/will purchase from them again. I cannot wait to get out to the range and shoot it. Thanks again, S.

1. Application type (FID/permit w/ existing FID). 3 P2P w/existing FID 2. Police Department where you applied. NJSP Bordentown Baracks 3. Name of the person you dealt with at the PD. Trooper XXXXXX 4. Time taken to issue FID and/or permit. 12 Weeks (start to finish). 11 weeks if the permits weren't dated a week before. 5. Documents required by the PD (aside from the standard application and the mental health release form). Standard State Police forms: background check (done online) and mental health check. 6. Notes - Submitted my P2P forms at NJSP in Bordentown. I was told 10 to 12 weeks. The Trooper was very professional and courteous. My "problem" is the whole process. He told me they went from five, to two, to one Trooper in West Trenton doing the investigations for the whole state. That to me is ridiculous. He agreed. It took my P2P's 12 weeks and I have my FID already. He told me it would probably take 6+ months if I had no FID card.

This was nothing but a complete circle jerk for the courts and lawyers to make money. My take: The local PD knows they cannot deviate from the State Police forms. So they deny the guy thinking he will just go away. Money spent filing lawsuit in Superior Court. The Superior Court Judge knows the law and code; if not his law clerk can look it up. He had no reason to deny the guy. More money spent in court fees and lawyers. Three, the guy has to to appeal to Appellate Court. Even more money spent on lawyers. How come the Appellate Judge's knew the law, but not the Superior Court one? Complete the circle jerk for wasted time and money.

First, thank you for your service. Second, you said near McGuire AFB. I live near the AFB. Have you been here yet to review the area? If I may ask what town? Square footage of the house? I can pretty much then tell you what your taxes would be. You may be exempt from property taxes, but of these towns by the base have a "local purpose tax" will you be exempt from them? Those taxes can be in the thousands $$ too. Sadly, I would do what most have recommended. Sell the house and move to a more gun friendly and less costly state. We have the highest property taxes, highest auto insurance, the most corrupt liberal politicians, thousands of illegal aliens, major cities with high crime, the worst gun laws. It is a great area to live in though: 40 minutes from the shore; 45 minutes to Philly; Hour or so by train to NYC. When you do come up, let us know. I will take you out for a beer.

HE- That is why states like ours, CA, MA, etc. are targets for these whackos. I am actually surpised they have not been successful in NJ yet. They know we are weak on the citizens being armed, just like the French.

Did anyone else receive this? I recently received this from Ass. Greenwald. What a crock. " Dear Neighbor: This time of the year marks eight years since the horrific tragedy of the mass shooting at Virginia Tech. On that day in 2007, a shooter murdered 32 people and wounded 17 other individuals in one of the deadliest shootings ever to take place in our country's history. Equally tragic is that this shooting might have been prevented, but a legal loophole permitted the shooter to purchase these firearms. Two years before the shooting, the shooter was declared mentally ill and ordered by a Virginia judge to undergo psychiatric examination. Despite being considered a danger to himself and to others, the state of Virginia did not report this court record to the FBI's National Criminal Background Check System (NICS), which is the federal background check all firearms purchasers must pass. Because the information was not reported, he was later able to pass a background check and purchase weapons and carry out horrific acts of violence. We've taken action to close this dangerous loophole in the law--requiring court records of critical mental health adjudications to be submitted to the NICS background check system. Like Virginia and many other states, New Jersey did not always require these kinds of mental health court records to be reported to the federal background check system. Because of legislation we sponsored, this potentially deadly loophole in our laws has been closed. While no single law can fix all of our state's problems with gun violence, it's our hope that this law will help keep firearms out of the hands of the dangerously mentally ill. We all know that better background checks are a key component of reducing gun violence and keeping firearms out of the hands of criminals. But, as the Virginia Tech shooting demonstrated all too tragically, we also know that any background check is only as good as the information it contains. That's why we sponsored this law and why we will continue to work toward comprehensive gun violence prevention to protect our communities. Sincerely, Assembly Majority Leader Louis Greenwald & Assemblywoman Pamela Lampitt" S.

Is there a possible danger that a person arrested for a crime will commit another one while out on bail? Of course, but they don't take his 5th amendment right infringed upon.

"The presence of a firearm in such a household enhances the potential for such a reaction to become lethal," Kennedy wrote for the panel. To me, this is the more disturbing piece. He was never convicted of the DV charge. We now "convict" based on an accusation?

What if you don't want your work to know? To me, it is none of their business. Quite frankly, I think it is an intrusion on my private life. I recently applied for some permits and listed my work and number, but I would not/did not expect it to be listed on the P2P's.

Since it has been awhile......since when did the P2P's list your place of work? My old P2P's do not have that on there. Why is that necessary? What if I was unemployed or self-employed? Can someone please explain this for me? Thanks, S.

Pizza Bob- Not sure where they got those numbers. My local State Police barracks ORI# was not the one listed. I got my ORI number directly from the firearms permit Trooper at the barracks. S.

Welcome to the board. Nice collection!

I just wanted to thank everyone for their comments and opinions on which wheelgun to chose. After shooting a friend of mines S&W 586 6" a couple of weeks ago I decided to go with the S&W. Yesterday I put money down (as I wait patiently for my P2Ps to come in) on a new S&W 686 Plus .357 with a 4'' barrel. Thanks again. What to purchase with my other two permits now? Hmmmm?....... S.

He did it to brush the issue aside. Makes Christie look like he did something to right this wrong on a national level. Everytime he does this or the charges are dropped (i.e. retired teacher) it is missed opportunity for us to have the politicians address the bad gun laws. If they make these mistakes "go away", then they never have to address the laws. They would rather sweep one or two people under the rug, than take these type of cases to court and have the draconian gun laws addressed by a higher court.

Welcome. Wrightstown/North Hanover area.

Done deal. District 8

Welcome from North Hanover/Wrightstown area also. S.

What if I have the same issue and my Uncle lives out of state? How do I get the pistols/rifles to NJ? Besides being NJ compliant (which I think they are).

She also passed legislation that prohibits companies from asking if you have a criminal record until AFTER they are hired. This was because her two darlings would never be able to get jobs. Unless you count the job her son got with the Mercer County Parks Commission. No coincidences there......

It may not happen on a national level, but it will as sure as shit happen in NJ once Christie is gone. No one can stop the Democratic "machine" in this state. The lemmings vote for it regardless of the facts or statistics.

Done Deal. Hope our pup gets better. S.

HE- What's a quality holster for a G23? Also my G23 came with adjustable sights. Are they still junk? thanks, S.

It is a chicken vs. the egg scenario. We file in Superior Court, any Superior Court. Indicating that the justifiable need is illegal and denies our right to carry. A judge is going to say, "sight the examples of anyone being denied". Unless the attorney can have stats and facts to back up the denial percentages, I think it would be thrown out of court since a judge will say that no one has been denied since they haven't applied. Hasn't those stats been denied for FOIA requests? Problem is we know 98% of the people who apply get denied. Yet can we get the supporting facts of those denials? What I don't like is when I talked the Trooper responsible for processing firearms applications told me that if I apply for CCW and when, not IF, I get denied, I will have to mark off question# 27 "Have you ever had a firearms purchaser identification card, permit to purchase a handgun, permit to carry a handgun or any other firearms license or application refused or revoked in New Jersey or any other state?" as a "yes" on any future P2P applications. Why take that risk when you know you will be denied? Especially when you have to write a paragraph why you feel the need to CCW.