Tunaman

I used a company called Steve Rich Environmental. They charged me 1200 bucks and there was zero problems. I would use them again in a heart beat.

I dont know if it will do any good, but I just wrote a long letter to the Supreme Court detailing what they are doing to us in NJ and disregarding Our rights and their Bruen decision. Maybe we should all write at this point.

I want to know if all this will apply to retired cops also. Are they going to have to lay out all this cash to carry like us? Or will they be given special status as usual. I shouldnt have to pay to use my Constitutional Right. This is almost worse than "justifiable need". My blood is boiling.

Murphy ALMOST lost until they "FOUND" a bunch of bergen county mail in votes. He even recognized that fact he almost lost and said he would do better. He lied.

so every 2 years we will need to pay to take all of these courses and qualifications, submit the app with all references, prints, pictures and whatever else was on that list that we will need. Gonna cost over 500 bucks before we are done with this bullshit. I am disabled. I dont have that kind of money every 2 years. I will take the money and donate to whatever organization is going to sue the shit out of these assholes. We also get to pay for the unlimited litigation fees these assholes have caused us to pursue, and they can use OUR money to hire as many lawyers as they need. Tyranny at its finest. This state sucks. Vote them out!

Parts of that statute have been thrown out already...

I would wave them goodbye and say have a nice trip before I even thought about using my gun and risking everything....

Also, that new form that lists all the handguns you intend to carry is bullshit . My Chief of police when asked said there are no restrictions on this permit. He already has a list of guns I own in his file from the purchase permits. We need nothing more.

https://nj.gov/njsp/firearms/pdf/PTC_use_of_force_and_Qual.pdf scroll down to the certification its on the bottom of page 18

Yes. Its says to KILL THEM before they KILL THEMSELVES!

We pay these cops salary. They get to qualify for free...but we pay for it. Why do we have to pay to qualify?. The police should qualify us for free too. It costs around 500 bucks now when all said and done. That is some bullshit. They are trying to make this so hard and expensive that people wont do it. Vote them all out.

and what the hell is a .pptx document? I dont have powerpoint and am not buying it just so i can comply. What idiot couldnt make it a .pdf so we can read it...

The way I read it is that if you have a permit that has been issued in the last 2 years and went through all the required steps you dont need classroom or training again for renewal. Like not having to take the driving test again for renewing your drivers license. Thats how I read it.

"Substantially similar" is good enough as GFH has been using this course for retired PD for years. If it was good enough all these years then it is good enough now. I'll wait for guidance from Anthony and my lawyer before changing anything.

They dont proof read shit. Looks like another 3-4 pages of bullshit forms added to the never ending bullshit package for the PTC. They think we are to be treated like a retired police officer. When I get their pension then I will act the same. Until then They can fuck off. "Shall not be infringed'.! I hope this shit gets shot down in court. FPM!

The qual I took at GunFor Hire IS substantially similar. My permit is good for 2 years. I already spent more hundreds than I care to for a 2 year permit. They can suck my ass if they want me to do more before my 2 years are up. I am not a retired cop and i dont need to train to be one.

I think this is why they want you to "call before you dig"...

nebraska now makes 27!

Listen to the GunForHire Podcast. They have already stated that the new guidelines have NOT been posted yet..

I agree. Cheaper is not always better.

it is going to cost you ALOT of money to get started. It is not like it used to be as far as what the feds want for security. It is almost a lost cause even trying.

we have thousands of picture"B" above in Bergen county right now. Squashing as many as i can...

Hope everyone is feeling better.

All that "draw and fire" bullshit in the qual is for cops only...as we cant even carry OWB like they can. So unless they are going to make cops draw from the concealed position they can pound salt.

They let all the minorities commit the crimes, then let them plea bargain away the gun charge so it doesnt count as a stat...