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i understand that griz.....but........first off....i do think they can gather the answers to most of those questions....at least stats on crime prevented(riiiighgggtttt) by our laws.......but in my mind, they can infuence the legislature, in that if they went to them, and said that they thought that nj gun owners have been proven cleaner than most people in the country, and therefore we think that we should be allowed to issue carry permits.......that would carry some weight, and possibly change things. ..

concerning carry.....and you'd have to give them lead time on this one i think. with all of the background checks we go through......and if i'm not mistaken, it's at least equal to what people in other states go through for nfa items? but with all of these background checks, why can't we carry? i'd like to see them list true examples of how our laws have actually prevented crime. with references cited. i'd also like to know how often they re-qualify and train(the avg officer on the street, not special units) in order to remain proficient with their firearm, as compared to the avg gun enthusiast that will be carrying(we know that most of us train monthly or weekly). essentially, i'm looking for their justification in not allowing us the option. i don't think they have any.

on that note, i did have an officer tell me that if one were to have the police style long gun locking rack....like tactical shit sells....anfd the gun was unloaded and locked in that, that it is legal......am i gonna test that? hellllll no!

that's what i'm looking for. looking to keep the money "in the family" sotospeak. if i can support someone here on the boards, they got dibs.....if not, then as long as i know they're 2a friendly, that's good.

hhmm.........i think that this guy's too stupid or blinded by his hatred/fear that he can't see that his daughter failed miserably.....

looking to have t's printed for my shop. nothing fancy....just shop name with a graphic on the backs. the shop across the street from me has a customer that did his, and did a decent job....and if none of us does this, or knows a 2a friendly place, then i may use his guy......might want sweatshirts for next winter too. thanks guys. hopefully someone in here does this.

it will once they learn that they're opened up to lawsuits for false arrest.......

IF the question of wait times comes up......i'd peruse these forums, and see if those that're waiting are willing to let their names be us4ed.......and get an explanation of exactly why it's taking so long. the guy waiting 8 months now would be an example......shit....it took lindenwold 8 months for me, and 9 for my mom. neiter one of us has ever had more than a traffic ticket.....and her? she's never even had that.....

and nearly EVERY imported car isn't really imported anymore, but built right here.

joint venture. mazda pickup is the ranger, protege is the escort, i forget what mazda was the probe. i believe the 3.0 in some of them is mazda, although the control system is ford eec4 or eec5. it's also probably built in mexico.

that's what i thought.....but i'm told by nearly everyone that i'm wrong. to me it's pretty stupid/simple. is there a round in the chamber? no? is there ammo in the mag that's in the gun? no? is there a round ANYwhere IN the gun? no? then it's not loaded now is it?

no. your comp is a flash hider.

you know the ranger and the mazda pickups are one and the same? correction....were........

carry of course.

THAT'S the hard part. they don't seem to feel the need to really listen to us. i do vote. even though i honestly feel like i'm wasting my time, i do it. not funny jppestr! lolol i'd prefer to not have to egress.

i got another question, along these lines.........since we're all pretty certain that we're gonna get the nj safe act in 017.......what can be done to try to head that shit off?

problem with that is that our muzzle brakes pretty much suppress the flash too.

awesome! thanks man! don't warn them though......not necessary in nj.........

the statute says differently.

also, if they could define "unloaded" since there's constantly discussions going on if we can transport loaded mags or not. and finally.....i truly hope this entire thing is going to be recorded......

take this one a step farther. 2C:58-3 f Granting of permit or identification card; fee; term; renewal; revocation. The application for the permit to purchase a handgun together with a fee of $2, or the application for the firearms purchaser identification card together with a fee of $5, shall be delivered or forwarded to the licensing authority who shall investigate the same and, unless good cause for the denial thereof appears, shall grant the permit or the identification card, or both, if application has been made therefor, within 30 days from the date of receipt of the application for residents of this State and within 45 days for nonresident applicants. A permit to purchase a handgun shall be valid for a period of 90 days from the date of issuance and may be renewed by the issuing authority for good cause for an additional 90 days. A firearms purchaser identification card shall be valid until such time as the holder becomes subject to any of the disabilities set forth in subsection c. of this section, whereupon the card shall be void and shall be returned within five days by the holder to the superintendent, who shall then advise the licensing authority. Failure of the holder to return the firearms purchaser identification card to the superintendent within the said five days shall be an offense under subsection a. of N.J.S.2C:39-10. Any firearms purchaser identification card may be revoked by the Superior Court of the county wherein the card was issued, after hearing upon notice, upon a finding that the holder thereof no longer qualifies for the issuance of such permit. The county prosecutor of any county, the chief police officer of any municipality or any citizen may apply to such court at any time for the revocation of such card. There shall be no conditions or requirements added to the form or content of the application, or required by the licensing authority for the issuance of a permit or identification card, other than those that are specifically set forth in this chapter. the highlighted parts above. what recourse do we have when the 30 day statute has been broken? i had called the state pd a few years back, and the people i talked to had no clue about the 30 day statute. also, the second highlighted part, since towns seem to be adding their own requirements. and i would quote them the statute for this.

the alarm company i use at the shop calls me first. if no answer, then they call the police. cherry hill pd seems to average 20 minutes from the alarm company call to them being at my shop. that was 3 years ago though.....that's the last time the alarm went off.......

i been saying this for a long time now.

I FEEL that if he was leaving...exiting.....climbing out the window.....however ya wanna say it.......she should never have drawn. if the confrontation was her getting in his face.....then she shouldn't have done that. she shoulda been on the phone to the pd before she even got home. now if she entered her home, and perp re-thought the exit strategy, and came back in after her.....all bets are off.....

so was this show the typical "guns are bad mkay?"