maintenanceguy

I will probably never shoot at a range or club, unless someone who is a member invites me. I can shoot on my own property and often shoot with friends on their farms. Shooting in a "controlled" place doesn't appeal to me. But being able to carry my gun to any "place of target practice" does appeal to me. what's the cheapest range to join in NJ? Any club want to offer a $25 per year membership that offers no range privileges?

Why won't NJ get right to carry? (1) Because SCOTUS is the only branch of government that can force a state to follow the constitution when the other branches have not done so and now SCOTUS had decided not to uphold the constitution either. (2) Because I know dozens upon dozens of gun owners here in rural South Jersey. There may be 1 million gun owners but I guarantee that less than 10% even know that a 10 round magazine ban is in the works and only 1/3 of them care even a little. (2) Less than 1% of gun owners in NJ have any idea that the rest off the country is shall issue. (3) Less than 1/2 of 1% off gun owners know that non-resident permits let you carry in other states. (3) Less than 1/10 of 1% of gun owners know that PA just stopped recognizing UT permits. In short, gun owners in NJ do not care if we ever get carry in NJ.

with 1500 permits issued in NJ, somebody's issuing permits to somebody. I really wish somebody could get access to the secret list so we would know who is getting them.

Not any more with UT. PA lets you carry in the car with any state's permit...as long as that state has similar licensing requirements to PA. Since the AG has decided that UT does not have similar requirements to PA, you can no longer carry in the car with UT.

It's been a bad few days for NJ gun owners. Drake denied, 10 rounds passed both houses. UT permits no longer work in PA. I'm out in 3 years but I'm wondering where to go that's safe. My children have a lot of years left in this country and I want to find a place where they can keep their rights for the next 70 years or so. I'm not sure any place in the US is safe for that long.

If you buy more than one rifle in a 5 day period, the ATF wants to know who you are. Applies to semi-autos over .22 caliber with detachable magazine. If handguns are the guns of choice for crime, why is the government always so interested in rifles? hmmmm. Details here on the second page of the link, bottom left.

Yeah, I do not trust the Star Ledger. They may have twisted a lot of what he had to say to fit their agenda.

I have killed animals of all sizes with everything from .22lr up to 3" 12ga slugs. I can say with certainty that there is no such thing as stopping power. I have never had an animal immediately succumb to the shear impact force of the shot. I have had animals die very quickly because of a heart or lung shot. I have had animals drop immediately from a spine shot. I have had animals die immediately from a carefully placed head shot (including from a .22lr). But I have never had an animal stopped by the power of the bullet. I do not believe that stopping power even exists.

Unlike lots of other states, in NJ guns are a toy you take out occasionally and take to the range. In a few parts of our state (including mine) guns are part of our way of life. I use mine at home constantly for nuisance animals and hunting and I get together with family and friends fairly often to shoot skeet or just try out somebody's new firearm purchase. This is the way it is for many, many more people in less populated states. This is the rare exception in NJ. Fewer people, even gun owners, have that much interest in guns largely because there are few opportunities to use them. Gun culture in NJ is mostly dead, even among gun owners.

NY, like NJ is ruled by a small area of urban blight. The rest of us out here (see my avatar) are screwed in both states. And yes, it will be enforced, but only if they happen to catch you some other way - a house fire, break in, etc.

The federalist papers mention the "well regulated militia" twice. Once in passing but in the other reference, it was obvious - at least to me - that a "well regulated" militia was one that was "made regular" through training.

I'm staying away from the usual states that NJ residents move too: FL, SC, NC, AZ, PA. I figure that once enough of us are there, we'll drag that place down too. I live in the country, out in the middle of nowhere. Once in a while, someone from the city moves out here to get their piece of the country. Eventually they show up at township committee meetings to complain that they don't have streetlights, trash pickup, sewer, gas, or a police department. Thankfully, nothing's changed here yet but people want what they are used too having - even if they seemed to be trying to escape it.

Thank you, exactly what I was looking for.

I've always heard that NJ does not allow pawn shops to buy and sell guns. But the only restriction I can find in the law is a restriction on using firearms as collateral for a loan. So I understand that you can't pawn a gun in NJ. But is there really a restriction on a pawn shop also operating as a gun shop...as long as the shop pawns lawnmowers and drum sets and only buys and sells guns?

Thanks, no. I forgot to add one thing: Don't stop to pee, that's a felony.

I'll play internet lawyer. In my amateur opinion: You are transporting "between his dwelling or place of business and place where such firearms are repaired, for the purpose of repair." (NJS 2C:39-6.e) and the UPS hub is allowed because your "travel shall include only such deviations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances." (NJS 2C:39-6.g) The UPS hub is reasonably necessary under the circumstances to get your gun to the manufacturer which is the place where firearms are repaired.

Talking to a friend tonight. He's not a big gun-guy but he did grow up hunting and shooting and still has some interest. His wife is very anti-gun. She doesn't mind if other people have them but does not want one in her home. Well, a neighbor took them both shooting this weekend and she had a really good time and her fear of guns is much less. They're talking about possibly getting one. He hasn't convinced her yet but she isn't angry at the idea any more. If you live in the Woodstown area and took C and his wife H out shooting over the weekend, thank you. You changed someone's opinion.

Gura is right. This has nothing to do with anything other than SCOTUS knowing what the constitution means but wishing it meant something else.

The other thread was too depressing considering today's news. I need something to hope for - which is now just getting out of this Constitution-forsaken state. So, for those of us who plan to escape to America someday, what will be your primary carry gun?

The constitution was dead before this case and America today is as good as it's ever going to be. With Democrats buying votes from 50 million Americans through social programs and the almost guaranteed amnesty of millions more undocumented democrats, individual rights are a thing of the past. There is no place to run and hide from this. In my lifetime, NJ will become the standard for the rest of the states as we march on toward true communism. We are not on the slippery slope any more. America is dead.

Once they pass the 10 round mag limit I'm going to be a felon anyway.

No, my point wasn't "horay! I saved 10 bucks". My point was that there isn't any savings by building it...I just want to build it. And I know it's junk. Said so in my first post.

I like the idea of building my own. In fact, I think I save $10 by building it. Can I manufacture one for personal use in PA and bring it back? Can I build one in PA and transfer it to myself in NJ via an FFL?

I found a couple of sites that sell the parts needed to assemble a complete cobray derringer. The receiver/frame is not assembled and requires some welding but assembly seems very straightforward. I know...Cobray derringers are junk...I kind of like the industrial look. Is it legal to assemble these parts into a working handgun? Can I do it in NJ and serial number it myself and fill out a P2P? Can I assemble it out of state and bring it into NJ with a P2P? Do I need a manufacturer's license from the ATF? I don't know anyone who's ever done this so I'm hoping someone here knows the rules, or at least where I can find the rules.

Same for me. In fact, visits to Trenton to speak against last year's bills, getting involved in a US Senate fundraiser, emailing, calling, and sending letters to my representatives. Thanking one of my assemblymen personally when I was with him meeting about another matter, and just following the process of the NJ courts, circuit courts, and SCOTUS has been a great civics education. I thought I understood the system but really did not.