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I looked over all of the bills. Here's my brief synopsis of each: A1613 establish Educational Security Task Force to standardize school safety programs A3510 require firearms safety training for fid and p2p A3583 establishes School Security Task Force A3645 Ammunition sales must be face to face A3646 Ammunition sales by dealers only. Photo id required for all ammo sales, even shotgun and rifle A3666 Ammunition sale-must be face to face A3685 PANYNJ-cert. cargo, impose fac. charge - not firearm related A3687 No FID to anyone on terrorist watch list A3690 establish committee to study violence and make recommendations to senate A3717 State must report all people who were institutionalized to NICS A3750 Handgun ammo sales will be reported to state electronically at time of sale and data will be available to all law enforcement in real time. A3772 Photo FID card that requires renewal every 5 years A3796 Creates 90 day amnesty period to turn in, sell, or render inoperable any firearms that are already illegal. S657 Requires firearm training to get an FID S2430 Establishes security task force to study and make recommendations S2476 Ammunition sales must be face to face S2485 No FID to anyone on terrorist watch list S2492 State must report all people who were institutionalized to NICS

Unless the LEO and FBI agent are your closest friends, pick other references. Your references don't need to be in the club, they just need to be smart enough to answer the questions they are asked and reliable enough to get it done. No body was ever denied because their references were teachers, garbage collectors, or accountants.

Everyone who has an anti-2A senator should call them to complain and see if they're willing to help a citizen get through the red tape.

The only stats I had were from here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/health/interactives/guns/ownership.html Where did the 12% figure come from?

The only data I had was from this poll: http://www.washingto.../ownership.html And in most places it probably is less. Those of us down here in Free NJ throw the curve for the rest of you. I bet 80% of my neighbors (maybe more) own guns.

Nice Pin. Now I need to buy something with a lapel.

Driving also. Inviting some friends that would normally not come.

The amount taken out depends on your income, your deductions, and your credits. The easiest way to figure this out is to look at last year's income tax records. Compare your total wages to your income taxes paid.

I support the whole bill of rights. This petition is petty and an emotional knee jerk reaction. The kind of thing we all hate every time it happens to our rights. I won't support denying his.

I wouldn't do a transfer because I couldn't legally transfer it back without him getting an FID. He doesn't need an FID to just continue to own it. If this is the kind of friend I really trust, I would let him borrow space in my safe. Who's gonna know? But, since he's the kind of friend that needs to get a gun out of his house for some reason that involves a relationship, I smell drama. I don't participate in drama and sure wouldn't participate in drama that involves guns.

\ good for you. What has proven to be the most effective way to get people into a church? Have church members invite a friend. It seems that that probably applies here too.

Excellent idea. Good way to get more information to more people. Maybe NJ2AS could offer a "gift pack" membership of 5 or 6 memberships at a discount to current members.

Another thread has me thinking - how can we get 2 million gun owners in NJ to care about the slow erosion of our 2A rights? When 100 people out of 2 million show up in Trenton at a hearing, it doesn't show that we're 2 million strong, it shows that we're 1,999,900 week. So how do we get more people involved and motivated? Consider the gun climate when your grandparents were kids vs. what it is now. We have lost so much already and we're continuing to loose more every year. If 10% of gun owners stood up and demanded changes, we'd start getting our rights back instead of loosing them. So how do we rally the troops? A post of mine and a reply by Maximus from earlier today has this dilemma stuck in my head. Both posts can be found here and here I've re-posted them below:

I'll be there on the 30th. For the first time, I'm going to invite two friends who wouldn't otherwise go. How do we get others to show up?

hunting, getting rid of problem animals (not exactly the same as hunting), I enjoy shooting, I enjoy owning them, tradition, I want my kids to grow up having some of the same things I enjoyed as a kid, defense of myself and my family.

When I was a kid, Dad had a closet full of guns. Not a safe, a closet. Some of the nicest ones were in hard cases, most in socks, a few weren't in anything at all. I never thought of guns as odd, or something taboo that I should sneak a peak at. If I wanted to see one, dad got it out and let me look at it. It was just no big deal. In grade school we talked about guns and it no teacher complained. Some of the teachers joined in the conversation. A handgun was kept in Dad's underwear drawer - loaded. Another hidden in the kitchen - also loaded. A few more in the closet. I grew up on a farm and would take out my dad's 22 to shoot every afternoon by myself from the time I was probably 12. I got my own 22 at 14. We hunted rabbits, quail, deer, squirrels, and more. Guns were just not a big deal. We kept a 20 gauge shotgun behind the pickup seat all the time with a coffee cans of shells next to it. My mom once got pulled over for speeding with that same shotgun in the back seat of her car. The officer never asked why it was there. In grade school, half the boys in the class were out during deer week. A few of the girls were too. In high school, lots of kids took the week off but a few would hunt in the morning before school and come to school with shotguns in our cars and pickup trucks. Nobody called the police. After school, they would return to hunting. Everybody I knew owned firearms. You'd visit somebody and a shotgun would be on the kitchen table getting cleaned or standing in the corner of the dining room. Nobody thought a thing about it. And now we tell our kids not to tell anybody that dad has a gun - it's our dirty secret. We worry incessantly whether or not we need to separate the ammo from the firearm when it's locked in the trunk. We don't want to offend the neighbors. We worry that the police might inform our employers that we're applying to buy another gun. We think owning a gun is such a dirty secret that we worry what would happen if they combine our FID and drivers license and the people at the DMV find out we own guns. That's nuts! 23% of NJ homes have guns! That means there are lots of other people on your street, in your apartment complex, who teach at your kids school, who are on the same sports team as you, who you work with that own guns too. And they're all hiding it from you while you hide it from them. Repeat after me: "I will not be ashamed. I will be proud to exercise all of my rights. It's not dirty. It's not bad. I will not be ashamed any more!" If you aren't afraid to share your hobby with others. If you act like it's normal and safe, and responsible to own guns, the people you know who respect you might just start to believe it is normal, safe, and responsible - because it is normal, safe, and responsible. This year, if you take two friends shooting who have never done it before - you might make a supporter out of enough people to turn the tide. If we hide like it's a dirty secret, we'll succeed in convincing everyone else that it is.

Your local hardware store may have these already on the shelf keyed alike (they typically come in packs of 2, 4, or 6 like that from the factory) and they can definitely order them that way for you in any quantity you want.

Why is everyone so eager to compromise? Why are we happy that "it's not as bad as it could be?". We're thankful that they're only taking a little bit more? We need to stop accepting losing and start thinking like we can win. We will never get any of our rights back as long as we're divided and we are divided! A very few think the 2A says that our rights can't be infringed. The majority seem to believe that we should be happy that our rights aren't denied. Small losses are still losses and they add up. Stop being happy with small losses. We should be united and demand that we start getting some of our rights back instead of being thankful that we're losing them slowly instead of quickly. Nobody knows how may homes in NJ have guns but it's probably around 2 million. If half of those would stand united, we'd have a different state in a year. If 1 million people wrote a letter demanding the right to carry, if 1 million people called Trenton and demanded the "assault weapons ban" be repealed, if 1 million people showed up in Trenton on a Monday morning and vowed to be back every Monday until the redundant back ground checks were eliminated - it would happen! Every time 100 people show up, we're screwed!

(1) I would be in my home with my gun on my hip. My wife would have one on her too. (2) I would offer any information that could help but would be very hesitant to let them in. I don't want to give anybody trouble and I know they aren't interested in whatever they might see in my house but lots of people have gotten into legal trouble by being nice and letting the police in. A guy I work with - really good, responsible guy - let the police in when they responded to a domestic complaint from his wife. I know nothing about the domestic incident other than she dropped the charges and he's not being charged. He has been charged with possession of marijuana. The police thought they smelled something once they got inside. He passed a drug test at work 3 days later so he wasn't using marijuana. But he's in trouble. My rule: I'll be as helpful as I can outside on the step with my door closed behind me.

You must apply at your local PD for a replacement. Same procedure and same forms as applying for a permit to purchase a pistol, same background checks, same cost, same wait.

There should be no "respective sheet" for the two references. NJ Law does not allow local PDs to add forms to the official forms. http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/topic/49741-8-more-towns-agree-to-comply-with-state-firearms-law/ but, if you choose to comply, you are only required 2 references. I'd use the same two.

I'm sometimes amazed at the stupid comments people make but I'd never support a speaking class as a requirement to exercise a civil right such as the freedom of speech.

Just curious: Lets say you ask to inspect the car and are given permission. You find that something isn't stored properly. Now the guy was honest with you, not trying to hide anything and obviously doesn't present a threat to you or the public... but he didn't store his gun or ammo according to the law. What do you do at that point?

They're bad around here. Ankle breaking holes everywhere, they will ruin a garden. They've killed a few of my fruit trees by gnawing on the bark. I shoot every one that I see with a .22.

The founding fathers knew this was coming and wrote the 2A to allow the people to defend themselves against enemies both foreign and domestic. They would probably be surprised that it took us 250 years to get here. Maybe the 2A is why it did take so long. I hope nobody gets hurt.