JohnnyB

The sad fact that in our homes is the ONLY place we are allowed to protect ourselves under NJ law is related. Debating that particular issue in this thread muddies the waters and shows division in our ranks. I was only politely suggesting we stay on topic!

Sorry, We got off on a tangent here. The purpose of this thread was to help give guidance and try to tell of our struggles in NJ to a newspaper reporter looking to interview a subject for a story. After all, we don't want to confuse her with our thread drifting to unrelated debate now, do we?

We can all wear our NJGF T shirts!

I'm in!

Go for the Florida permit for sure. I have both NH and FL CCWs and I am covered now in PA and DE where I travel very often and I do carry when there! Hopefully by some miracle, we get National Reciprocity passed and we can all stop thinking about this shit!

Ms. Park, Carol Bowne's story is indeed tragic! Her name is spelled BOWNE in case you want to look it up further. It's just another case where an innocent woman died due to the fact that her life was threatened, the police do not have an obligation to protect her and New Jersey would not allow her to protect herself!!! I met her family shortly after she was murdered. They were lovely but broken people! Unfortunately, there will be many more senseless deaths like Carol's simply because New Jersey does NOT care about us! Below is a brief story about Carol Bowne from Fox News. Published June 10, 2015 Fox News Facebook Twitter livefyre Email Print Carol Bowne, (l.), was stabbed to death outside her Berlin, NJ, home last by an ex-boyfriend. (Courtesy: NJ.com/South Jersey Times) Carol Bowne knew her best shot at defending herself from a violent ex was a gun, and not a piece of paper. And it was paperwork that left her unprotected when Michael Eitel showed up at her New Jersey home last week and stabbed her to death, say Second Amendment advocates, who charge local police routinely sit on firearms applications they are supposed to rule on within 30 days. Bowne, 39, had a restraining order against Eitel when he killed her in her driveway last Wednesday, but she was still waiting for Berlin Township Police Chief Leonard Check to approve the gun permit she had applied for on April 21. Tragically, she had gone to the township police department just two days before her death to check on the status of her languishing application. In another indication of her fear of Eitel, Bowne had recently installed surveillance cameras around her home, and the equipment recorded the 45-year-old ex-con attacking her as she arrived home and got out of her car. “Carol would have qualified for a permit since she was attacked; only now it’s too late.” - Evan Nappen, New Jersey-based attorney and gun rights advocate “She should have been granted that permit in a timely matter, especially given her status as a domestic violence victim,” said Evan Nappen, a New Jersey-based attorney who specializes in Second Amendment cases. New Jersey's gun laws are among the nation's strictest, but law-abiding citizens are eligible to purchase and possess handguns after filling out forms available at their local police stations, submitting to a background check on any possible criminal history or mental health issues, giving fingerprints and paying a fee. Once those steps are taken, local police conduct a 14-point investigation and the chief is supposed to approve or deny for cause within 30 days. Check did not return requests for comment, but gun rights advocates say it is not unusual for Garden State police chiefs to take several months to approve handgun permits for qualified applicants. “The gun law’s intention is to be as difficult and cumbersome as possible,” Alexander Roubian, president of the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, told FoxNews.com. “They need to be repealed. “The system is so outdated," Roubian continued. "In most states, you go to the store, get a background check, and purchase a weapon. A police chief should have no part of the process. This woman had a legitimate issue and no one helped her.” A manhunt for Eitel, who had done time on a kidnapping conviction and had repeatedly threatened Bowne, began shortly after the murder and ended Saturday, when he was found dead of a self-inflicted gunshot in another ex-girlfriend's garage. Bowne's case prompted state senators Dawn Addiego, Diane Allen and Jennifer Beck to announce plans to introduce a bill that will fast-track the handgun permit process for applicants who have obtained a restraining order. “The tragic murder of Carol Bowne shows that there are sensible changes we should make to public safety laws to help people protect themselves,” said Addiego, a Republican whose district is in southern New Jersey. “This legislation will make sure that those who need protection the most are given priority when it comes to the lengthy process of applying for a firearms permit.” However, Nappen said even if Bowne had obtained her permit and used a gun to protect herself, she could theoretically be facing charges today because she would not have been allowed to legally carry the gun outside with her. “New Jersey does not allow law-abiding citizens to get a carry license,” Nappen said. Perry Chiaramonte is a reporter for FoxNews.com. Follow him on Twitter at @perrych

Follow the rules and no body will arrest you! Cops don't want a bad bust! You are fine!

Great news!

NJ issues carry permits to politicians, Judges and some well connected to them. There are NO carry permits issued for self defense in this state! The only people who carry on the streets of New Jersey are the cops and the criminals!

I was just shocked that HE admitted it!

Better than a GLOCK? I am shocked!

For PA residents, PA does not recognize a non resident NH CCW. Resident only. As a PRNJ resident it's good in PA! Just apply for your PA resident permit when you get there and you won't miss a beat!

I hope they have a class action lawsuit against them! I cancelled my account with them and let them know why!

That's my whole point! They can and do deny based on whatever they want and nobody calls them out on that fact! Sure it's not legal but that detective bragged about how he has never been overturned by the Superior Court! The point is that if they do it and get away with it, therefore it's not illegal for a PD to deny a purchase permit. NJ won't let us exercise our God given right to bear arms so that is illegal also.....NJ gets away it so in NJ it's not illegal to deny us our Constitutional right!

No, purchase only! Here is the link to the full story! https://www.njtvonline.org/news/video/second-amendment-society-claims-police-departments-delaying-and-denying-handgun-permits/

I am sorry to inform you that you are wrong! The chief or his agent can most definitely deny an application! Remember the case where NJ2AS taped a detective in Orange NJ because she was 5' 5" tall and he was afraid an assailant would take her gun away? “I had a female in here. She’s every bit of 5-foot and 80 pounds.” In a hidden-camera recording made by the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, an Orange Police Detective Sergeant appears to explain how he denied a handgun purchase permit to an applicant not based on New Jersey law but on the applicant’s size and gender. “I’m not going to say anyone can’t take a gun from me or, or you know. But, I’m just saying and I told her I’m going to be completely honest with you. In my opinion, I said, if I saw you and I saw you with a gun, especially here in Essex County, and the people we have here in this county. Um, I said yeah I’d be concerned with you having a firearm.” And then the detective sergeant says he’s never lost an appeal and he has a wide range of reasons to deny the petite woman’s application. “Again it wasn’t anything against her. It’s not her fault she’s female and only, but I said we’ve got to look at the public safety.” Orange Police have not responded to our requests for comment on the videotape.

Ahh, the Bald Eagle that voted for Trump! I like him too! If Illegal aliens can vote for Dems in our election, why not let the symbol of the USA vote for trump!

You are understandably paranoid and that's the way the PRNJ wants you to be! You don't have to prove ANYTHING that happened during the time you were OUT OF THEIR JURISDICTION! What are they gonna do, check to see if your gun is dirty? You cleaned it at the range! Do a paraffin test on your hands? Oh crap, you washed them before you left the range then went to a bar and had a few drinks, had dinner, stayed at a Motel 6. and drove home the next day. The above is exaggeration but it does not matter if you went to the range or not.......Your intention was to go to the range, then, when across the bridge, you changed your mind and went shopping instead! You CAN change your mind, no law against that is there? Do what you want and live your life, or choose to live in fear of the Gestapo! Even they can't touch you if just follow the transport laws while IN this state!

Ms. Park, Based on your statement, I doubt you intend to buy a gun anytime soon. Nor should you if that is just not your thing! The reason so many in this thread want you to try to buy one is so you would see with your own eyes, the scrutiny NJ puts every legal gun buyer through! In a nutshell, you have to go to your hometown PD and request a packet of forms. You must fill out all of the forms and supply two people as character references and they WILL be contacted. You must do an online mental health check which you pay for and you sign a release for the state to look for ANY mental health issues you have EVER had. You must make an appointment to be fingerprinted at your expense and fill out whatever other forms your town requires. Once the forms are completed and turned in to the PD, they will conduct an EXTENSIVE criminal and mental background check on you that could take time. The Chief of police may call you in to interview you if he wishes. The chief may, at his discretion, approve or disapprove your application. In about a month or for most towns many months you get a permit to buy a rifle or shotgun called the NJ firearms ID card. You must go through the entire above process EVERY time you apply for a permit to buy a handgun! Even then, they expire in 90 days, can be extended to 120 day with the chiefs approval. Each handgun permit is only good for ONE handgun and you are limited to only ONE handgun purchase in any 30 day period. Oh, and when you purchase any gun, you also have to fill out forms for each gun AND pay for a NICS check, yet another criminal background check, which must be approved by the State Police before you can take your new gun home! Our new Governor wants to make it even harder for the legal gun owners in NJ! All the new restrictions and laws never have an effect on crime since only the law abiding gun owners will follow them and they are NOT the one's committing the crimes! The laws and restrictions were there in Florida but the government on many levels did not enforce them. THEY are just as responsible for those children's deaths as the shooter himself. So the answer that the left NEVER wants to hear is, It's NOT ABOUT THE GUN! It's not about new feel good laws that will do NOTHING to prevent these shootings in the future! It's about actively enforcing the laws already on the books and punishing the criminals for once and leave the honest, law abiding gun owners alone!

So what if they are not open yet. Your purpose for the trip is to go to that range from your house! Once you cross that bridge with your permit, NJ laws no longer apply! Perhaps you enjoy sitting in your car at Clayton's for a few hours before they open just to relax! The NJ police have NO control over what you do once you cross that bridge. When you return to NJ, just go straight home first and secure your firearm. As long as you follow NJ statutes for transporting, you are good to go! Don't overthink this thing! Once you cross into PA, YOU ARE A FREE MAN! Enjoy your right to carry while you still can!

You broke the code! There are lots of public ranges in PA! Just find one reasonably near the bridge you are crossing. I print out directions or instructions from the ranges website.

Here is a link where Katie seems fair....Alex Roubian got his say, which was fair! https://www.app.com/story/entertainment/events/jerseysauce/2018/02/19/toms-river-students-urge-tougher-gun-laws-after-parkland-shooting/351921002/

If you can't leave the state with what? I use my NH non res permit to carry in PA quite often.

"THIS"!

What 2A rights have you lost so far because of Trump?.......Enough said!