JohnnyB

Nappen even said it's legal to carry an unloaded long arm with a FPID card.

Thanks for the clarification! The FTF would save me the transfer and NICs fees! Cool!

Thanks Dave for the good advice. You must have been referring to this line. I think it all depends on the circumstances of each situation. I know it's stupid, but I ALWAYS count how many rounds I load into my mags. I had a couple of pmags, 15/30s factory blocked at 15 rounds that could take 16 if you pushed hard enough. Scared the crap out me so I returned them for "GOOD" magazines.

Wait, I just thought about it! I can't do a FTF transfer with a handgun. I would have to go with the seller to an FFL an incur the transfer charge whereas if I bought the same gun new from a local dealer I would only have to pay NICS!! Might pay to buy local!

Agreed. vladtepes is correct using the letter of the law IMHO. Let's take these 2 examples. 1) I am at the range shooting my .40 with the mags loaded to full capacity, 15 rounds of .40 cal. Who is going to bother me??? 2) I am at the range shooting my 9MM with my .40 mag loaded to capacity with 9mm ammo, If the wrong person notices I fired 18 rounds without a reload. I am screwed!!! I think it all depends on the circumstances of each situation. I know it's stupid, but I ALWAYS count how many rounds I load into my mags. I had a couple of pmags, 15/30s factory blocked at 15 rounds that could take 16 if you pushed hard enough. Scared the crap out me so I returned them for "GOOD" magazines

Well said! I also agree with your list of those to listen to, SJGLAW, vladtepes, DeerSlayer and a couple others know their stuff and most often post the law itself to support their stance. You guys are much appreciated by me and I am sure other less knowledgeable members here! I thank you gentlemen for your guidance and support!

What intrigues me is all of the idiots who gave the info to make this poll possible!!! A stranger calls you out of the blue and asks "do you own a gun or guns?" BIG RED FLAG!!! The respondent instead of hanging up or refusing to answer says yes! Then the tell them all about their income, race, religion, marital status, political leaning, eduction ETC ETC!!!! So the caller hangs up a knows the number he called, so can get an address. The woman is unmarried, make $90,000 a year, is white and Christian and owns a gun. A possible target! I don't tell strangers if I have a gun let alone all the other personal info 7,000+ respondents gladly gave to a stranger on the phone. We talk about pediatricians daring to ask if we have a gun in house in horror! Yet all these people give up that and so much more. Dumb gun owners! I doubt many here would have answered that poll!!!

If you do not have the parts in your possession to complete the assembly, there can be no constructive intent! This issue was brought up here many times. The state did not want large normal capacity mags to be disassembled and it's components kept to avoid the law so they said if you have the parts to assemble a working normal cap mag there was indeed intent which is the same crime as getting caught with a fully operational magazine. How can you construct a magazine with only one part! Where it gets tricky, and you can get into trouble is if you have the body and spring for a hi cap mag but no other parts you are still good. If you own a 10 round mag with a follower and base plate that could fit in and complete the hi cap mag. You are now in possession of all the parts and that's illegal. You must consider if in your entire collection of magazines, there are the parts that could complete that box, that is intent. I suppose if you could tie 2 x 15 round springs together and easily make the 30 rounder work. That may also be intent. If they want to get you, they probably can so I would think about it!

Thanks, That's a fair price used in mint condition w/5 mags. I don't have my P2P yet and never heard of readington township so I figure it's way up north for me living across the river from Philadelphia!!! Would be nice to buy F2F without the $15 NICS charge but I feel the gas and tolls would eat that up quick!!!

New Jersey does NOT have a "Stand Your Ground Law" so don't assume everything this guy says applies in our state!

Which brings us back to the original question! Is the NJ FPID a permit to carry?????? "don't carry ANY firearm unless you have a permit to carry" Are you saying one is not advised to carry ANY firearm without a CCW permit???

Locked and unloaded in your trunk is not he same as hanging it out the window. The latter would be foolish even if legal!!!

Griz, Thanks for the reply. If my travels were to to take me past a school and I was pulled over there, would I still be within the law? It's hard to drive around anywhere and not enter a school zone! Is that an issue here??? I am not trying to be an antagonist, I am really curious! I really want to know my rights so as to exercise them and I REALLY don't want to know BUBBA or exercise HIM!!!! So I can plant my Bushmaster M4 5.56 evil black gun and loaded mags in my trunk and not get hassled by a LEO during a traffic stop? Seems hard to believe!

So Evan Nappen is saying You can carry the rifle but have his business card on us because the burden of proof is on us! This is not an answer! there must be case law on this! "The burden of proof is on us" seems contradictory to "innocent until proven guilty"! I thought the burden was on the state to prove guilt! Not the other way around!!!

My old and faded FPID card states, "is hereby granted permission to purchase and carry rifles and shotguns pursuant to" BLAH BLAH BLAH!!! So what does this really mean??? I see it as a permit to throw any NJ legal rifle or shotgun in my trunk unloaded but with loaded magazines of NON hollow point ammo in the same trunk and drive all around the state everyday without fear of criminal prosecution or persecution if caught! The new FPID cards do not have this wording! Does this mean I have special rights since my card is over 30 years old? Are there any cases where this "right to carry" has been tested, any case law??? Because the new cards are reworded, has this right to carry been removed by statute?? If this is a right we have in New Jersey, shouldn't we all exercise this right??? I would like to hear you opinions!

I agree with mipafox! We have to start somewhere and this really has a good chance of passing if handled properly!!!

How about Governor Evan F. Nappen? Has a nice ring to it!

If the law requires this form for a P2P then why am I not asked for it for P2Ps in my town???

Kwadz, I know he almost always has a table at Oaks. He sells his custom knives but has the door displayed next to the table. He has found new companies in Italy that he is dealing with. Italy seems to have a totally different way of looking at security than we do. Their doors are more like bank vault doors yet cost about the same as a normal door here.

A question. I have never had to fill out this form. I just got 2 P2Ps 3 months ago and never saw this form. Is the need for this form up to your local PD???

Sig P220 .45 with built in Lasermax

http://mastersecuritydoors.com/ Is one of the companies he deals with. He is opening a shop in Philly where he will be assembling the doors himself with Italian security locks that can't be picked. The door has 11 locking points. The door can have bullet proof glass as well as be modified to be completely bullet proof. I believe he said even a .300 Magnum won't penetrate. His name is Nino but goes by Tex. He is at many of the local gun shows selling his knives as well as showing a sample of his door and its options. He is a general contractor by trade and specializes in Italian marble and granite counter tops, floors fireplaces etc. I don't work for him nor do I get commission, I have seen much of his work and he is a frigging artist at what he does.

kwadz, My Brother-in-Law imports doors from Italy that look like normal wood doors but are solid steel with frame and locking pins like a safe door. He can even make them bullet proof if needed. He also installs them and lives in Wenonah so not far from Cherry Hill. I can tell him I know you and you can probably get a good price.

I thought you could not do worse than Remington Thunderbolt! OG, What are your thoughts???

lunker, Unfortunately, the Browning Buckmark although a beauty, is single action only! So far the Ruger SR22 seems to be a more worthy choice as I like a double action as opposed to single. Something to be said about seeing the hammer and its position!