Sludog

Great point. I would imagine this would definitely affect a new shooters aim if they were used to wearing gloves. Maybe not so much an experienced shooter.

I was at the range yesterday and saw two guys wearing gloves when shooting their handguns. It was indoors. Does anyone here also wear gloves? What are the advantages and disadvantage of using gloves.

It is a nice shop, good selection and only 10 miles away from me. Soon they will be moving their entire firearms inventory to the brand new shop and range close to the current location just off the GSP exit 58 in a few months. Their prices are a tad high but not outrageous. The only thing I don't like is that they charge a 3% surcharge for credit card purchases.

Thanks for the input. When do you get the jams? With the 22 or with 9mm conversion? Is it true that the guns are exactly the same except for barrel and slide?

Yeah steep price for non members for ammo. I was at their mercy but learned some valuable info about some guns I was interested in. $10 less per box if your a member. I don't know if you can bring your own ammo if you rent. What is a fair price for a 229? How about the 226? I know they have a lot of options but I am just looking for "basic" models.

Arms and Ammo is worth the trip if they have what you want. I went there one time and have not purchased anything yet but I plan to in the near future once my permits come in. Not sure which guy was Paul but both gentleman there were very nice. I felt very comfortable there and although I was obviously very new to guns and shooting they both talked to me like a friend and answered all my questions and they did not talk down to you like some other shops that I have experienced. They have there current inventory on their website which is great. Just make sure you call before you take the trip because they do sell fast.

Today I decided to go to Shore Shot to try a few guns out. I have been to the shop before and although some people complain about a few of the employees there, I have always had a good experience with the staff the three times I've been there. I bought 100 rounds of ammo and shot four different 9mm today. Not sure if all ranges do this but you can choose as many guns as you want, one at a time within the hour, as long they are the same caliber. I wanted to try an Xdm but they do not rent that in 9mm but they did have an XD that I tried first. Did not like it at all. The grips tore my hands up and I was all over the target sheet. The gun felt bulky in my hand as well. Also the gun malfunctioned after 10 rounds and a small pin on the side was popping out which I think had somthing to do with the grip safety. The RO took it in the back and repaired it. I know this is a rental gun and probably beat to hell but I did not have a good experience with this gun. Second I tried a Glock 19 and that was much better in my hand but my accuracy was still bad. The gun hand more kick then I expected but I feel that with time this gun would be great with practice. Third I tried a Glock 34 gen4. The gun looked brand new. Felt very similar in hand to the 19 but had a little more weight which I liked. My accuracy was much better which was expected with this target/range model and my grouping were great at 7 and 10 yards. This gun should make anyone a better shooter and this would be my choice as well as the Glock 35 as well if I were to but a Glock. And last I tried a Sig 226 9mm. Wow what a gun. It just felt awesome to hold and fit my hand perfectly and shooting was a joy. My accurancy was just as good as with the 34. I only put 25 rounds through it and I was tempted to but another box of ammo for $30 just for this gun but I was already in the booth for over an hour. It felt like the recoil was less than the other three but maybe that was because I shot 75 rounds prior and was getting used to shooting. This will probably be my first gun I buy with the 4 permits I have coming. I just wish they weren't do damn expensive. Another possibility is to get the 226 in .22 cal and get the 9mm conversion kit later on. From what I was told today at the shop, the guns are identical except for the barrel and slide. That's my amateur shooter opinion of the pistols I used today. Here is the ranking for best to worst. Please feel free to add comments or criticism about my experience. 1. Sig 226 9mm 2. Glock 34 3. Glock 19 4. Sprinfield XD 9mm One last thing. I did see a Sig 229 there in 9mm for $850. Is this a good price? How does this gun compare to the 226?

How much is that ammo compared to 9mm and 40?

I shot a Sig 226 today at Shore Shot and loved the gun. Like Warden said it just fits perfectly in your hand and feels like a quality, well built handgun. now I see why Sig's carry a premium price. One of the shop workers said the same thing about getting the 226 in 22 cal. because the frames are identical. Said the 22 is about $500-550 and the 9mm conversion kits go for about $300-350 which come to the same or a little less than the 226 9mm depending on the model. I also shot a Sprinfield XD Glock 19 and Glock 34 all 9mm and the Sig felt the best by far. As far as accuracy goes the Sig and the 34 were best for me. I am a new shooter so I am not very accurate yet but felt those two guns would make me a better shooter. Thinking about burning off two permits with those two but I am still undecided. They did not have any 226's in stock but had a nice Sig 229 for sale there for $850. Anyone have experience with the 229? How does it compare to the 226?

The XDm is a sweet gun and one of the top three on my list to buy. Are there 9mm barrels and conversion kits available for the Xdm 40? Do you need to change the mags as well?

Just curious, how much were they asking at Tip's for the gun? Just curious. I am not going to snake it from you.

When going with a conversion barrel, would you guys recommend sticking to factory or aftermarket? I heard that Lone Wolf makes great barrels and conversion kits. Any other aftermarket barrels that work well?

LOL what the hell was the guy talking about then? Maybe he meant or was confused that you could not get the XDm via transfer because of the mags?

Sorry to seem dumb, but you please explain the entire process of buying or selling a used handgun from a NJ resident to another NJ resident. I see that a COE and a pistol permit is needed. What does the buyer/seller do with these documents once the sale is made? Does the state or an FFL need to be involved?

I was told today at Shore Shots that the only legal Xdm available in NJ is the 45 cal because of mag capacity. Is this true? I could have sworn I saw a 9mm and 40 at Tips hardware a few weeks ago.

I went today to my PD today to give the secretary doing my paperwork the fax number to send the job verification done which is the last thing holding up my license and permits. Women was very nice and stuck up a conversation about the process and possible delays. She told me that they were getting most licenses and permits out in under 6 weeks. She said the biggest reason for delays was missing information when application was filled out or not getting back reference letters of employment verifications in a timely manner. She said these would get moved to an incomplete pile and then they would have to contact the applicant for the missing information. The problem is the girl that handles the FID apps. and permits only works part time. She has been helping her to pick up the heavy volume as of late. Anyway some good came out of my permit delay. I asked her if the process for requesting permits in the future once I got my FID card was the same and what would be her guess for a waiting period. She said the process is identical minus the fingerprinting needed most permit requests were coming in at around 6 weeks if everything checked out and all documents were in order but she could not guarantee of course. I explained to her that I only asked for 2 permits with my FID card application because I was not aware of the 90 day extension and would be requesting three more once permits my license came in. She told me that she was the one who typed up the permits once the chief gave the approval. She said if I wanted to add some permits she would just need a check and pay for the additional permits and she would take care of the rest and change my permit request. I sprinted to my car where my wife was waiting and ripped the check book from her bag and ran back in and wrote a check for $4 for two more permits. I was thinking of asking for 3 more for 5 total but I figured 4 handguns would hold me over for a while and I would be pretty broke after buying them within 6 months. The nice lady saved my at least 6 more weeks of waiting.

Sorry misunderstood your reply. I thought you were asking on how to get a license and permit. When you got you license, how many permits did you request? If only one then you have to go through the entire process over again except for the fingerprinting to get the second one. All the checks and references will need to done again. That is what I was told today by the woman doing my paperwork.

Manahawkin - Yes Long guns only, No handguns.

I was told the same thing that my permits were being held up because they were waiting for job verification. I asked for a copy to bring to my employer and if they could fax a copy to my payroll dept. as well who handles the employment verification. The woman who was handling my application faxed a copy and called shortly afterwards as well. I was very pleased with her efforts.

Its very simple verysimple. (sorry couldn't resist) Head to your local PD or state police barracks and ask for application for fire arms ID card, get fingerprinted and pay for license permits and fingerprinting when turning in paperwork. Then you sit back and pray and wait like the rest of us.

The expired permits would make an nice conversation piece hanging on the wall. I would think if you asked for 6 permits at a time and did not use them, PD would have to say something at some point. Then again they may never know.

If this letter was fake, this could be one of the greatest acts of revenge on a business I have seen in a long time. This "Shawn Thomas" is one clever guy if this was all made up.

I will be putting in a request for 4 more permits once my two permits being processed come in. Is there a mandatory waiting period between permit requests from your local PD? I figure if I put the request in the end of this month then the permits should arrive by May or June.

Thanks for the input. I do like the Glock 19 but they are pretty hard to find as of late. I saw a glock 34 and 35 in a few shops near me and thought that may be a nice option as well. I know these are considered competition guns but saw quite a few favorable reviews for range and home defense which is what I am looking for. Hickok 45 raved about the 35. I also like that you can drop a 9mm barrel in the 35 and use the same mags.

Yea, that's what I figured. I saw a nice 226 scorpion for $1000 and it only came with one mag.