I was looking a Walther PPQ or PPX for my first handgun. Anyone have any experience with either? I really like the H&K p30 but it seems very similar to the PPQ for about $400 less. Are H&K's that good or just overpriced? Same question goes for Sig's. I also see that the PPQ M2 has a different mag release and from what I understand a new and improved trigger but nobody knows the answer on that one. I can save $50 if I get the older PPQ from the prices I have seen. Are then new changes worth it?

 

Also on my short list is the Beretta Px4 and Springfield XDM. I love Steyr but they are impossible to find. I can't count out various Glock models as well and I am sure I will own a Glock one day but thought I would go against the grain and choose something different first.

 

I think 4" or 4.5" barrel would suffice since the gun will double as a range gun and home defense. I would prefer 9mm but may have to go with 40 since they seem to be more in stock at the current time.

The Wombat has a PPQ that he loves, IIRC. If you're lucky, he will weigh in with the detailed analysis for which he is known.

I agree. Get with the Wombat. He is a respected opinion on the PPQ.

Sludog dont leave out the original design Walther P99.

Sludog dont leave out the original design Walther P99.

Good call. I haven't handled a P99 but I will look at one next time I go to the shops. I figured these were just plain service guns.

When I first got into guns I wanted the PPQ. After feeling it, i much prefer the P99. It feels more solid. The trigger isn't as good, but I think it's a better built firearm. I'd personally get a P99 in OD

PPQ is fine but right now terribly overpriced in the high 700s on gunbroker. If you can find one for $550 or so, it is a pretty good deal.

 

PPQ 1 vs PPQ 2.... mags are not interchangeable due to change in mag release PPQ has traditional german style mag release, on the trigger guard, ala P99, and s&w 99.

 

New mags = more money.

 

PPQ1 also is backwards compatible with most P99 and S&w 99 magazines.

 

There might of been a few other small changes, have to look at my media notes from shot show.

 

Are they good guns? Yes... for the $550 or so price range.

 

HK P30 will be a hammer fired gun. XD, Glocks, PPQ, P99's are all striker fired.... different strokes for different folks.

 

Odds are, you will end up owning both at some point.

 

Other fine options...

 

Caracal F, CZ 75, Tanfoglio/EAA Witness, Century Arms K100 (this is imported Grand Power GP100) really awesome gun.

I just picked up a PPQ M2. In addition to what Maksim said above, it's worth noting that the PPQ differs from many other striker-fired models in that when the round is chambered the striker is fully cocked (SA), verses semi-cocked for many other similar type pistols (DAO). This is one of the reasons for the unusually light trigger.

 

You are correct that the P30 and the PPQ feel similar in the hand. Being a hammer fired pistol the P30 can be carried hammer down allowing for a DA first shot. The PPQ has an inter-lock on the trigger (like a Glock) that also allows it to be safely carried without fear of inadvertent discharge. I think in a carry-draw situation the SA trigger will be faster and possibility (depending on training) more accurate.

 

The guns feel similar enough that it comes down to a preference to a hammer fired or striker fired weapon.

 

By the way, I didn't pay anywhere near full list (which is $699) for my PPQ. I've seen PPQ's on gunbroker.com in the $550-$600 range.

I just got a PPQ m2 in 9mm and put 300 rounds through it the other day without a hiccup. The gun shoots very nicely and the trigger is fantastic. However, the recoil doesn't feel very different from my p229 .40 cal (probably because of the weight) so it's definitely not the softest shooting 9mm out there. The grip feels very good in your hand and like everyone else said the p30 is kind of a different animal being hammer fired. As far as ergonomics go they're very similar so if you have access to one or the other and it fits you well chances are the other one will as well.

 

I got steered towards the PPQ because I was checking out the P30 in my LGS and loved the way it felt. I wasn't a big fan of the paddle release so the PPQ m2 actually appeals to me much more. And I can tell you from experience the mag release is positioned VERY nicely to the point where I don't have to adjust my grip at all to drop a mag. Can't say the same for my sig.

 

With both guns you're going to run into the same issues like hard to find accessories, expensive magazines, ect. If you're looking for something with widely available parts and toys you might be better served with a S&W, XD, or Glock.

 

 

By the way, I didn't pay anywhere near full list (which is $699) for my PPQ. I've seen PPQ's on gunbroker.com in the $550-$600 range.

 

What did you pay? Did you buy in state?

What did you pay? Did you buy in state?

$599. I found through gunbroker.com via a heads up from a post in these forums. It was a BIN. Shipping was a reasonable $20. I missed a about 6 auctions with BIN prices between $550-$600 in the days before. So they are out there.

http://njgunforums.c...-a-walther-ppq/

http://njgunforums.c...06-walther-ppq/

 

In my eyes two of the best reviews on this gun. Just figured i'd save you some searching if you didn't do it already. I own a px4 compact and I'm not an elaborate reviewer but I am very satisfied with my purchase. If you want a review on that you should ask Mcbethr. His commentary is very entertaining. Not one of his more entertaining writings but a review that I liked.

 

http://njgunforums.c...y-own-this-gun/

saw a P99 in stock at Cheyenne Mountain yesterday. I have a PPQ and it's a great poly IMO.

 

joe

For reference, I paid $600 out-the-door (so price of gun + NICS + tax) for a PPQM1 in May 2012.

 

Magazines have been difficult to find post-Newtown. Walther is also now its own importer and consequently no longer affiliated with Smith and Wesson, so that may increase their ability to put more accessories into the market. Only time will tell.

I purchased my PPQ m1 9mm last year for approx $600 with tax/nics. Recoil is more prevelant that other 9's I have shot, but not a huge issue.The grip is very comfortable and came with interchangeable backs for different hand sizes. The paddle mag release took a little getting used to, but I like it. Very easy to hit with you thumb and drop the mag out. I have put approximately 1,000 rounds through it and had zero issues. I have been happy with the purchase and really enjoy shooting it. Good luck with you choice!

PPQ in 9 is the way to go. Like others said the 40 has too much of a snap for follow up shots, etc. Actually feels like more kick then the glock (27) 40 in sub compact.

PPQ is a complete redesign of the P99, I personally feel the P99 is a nowhere near the quality of the PPQ. The 9mm isn't too bad with recoil, the comfort of the grip makes up for it.

Trigger reset is unbelievably nice. No trigger compares for the price of the firearm. The accuracy is great right outta the box. I call it the sniper pistol. 50 yard shots on the 6" steel gong are fairly easy with the stock sights!

PS: if you don't have a glock 19, check that out as well. Two of my favorite 9's to shoot. The recoil on the 19 is nonexistent.

I have absolutely no complaints about my ppq1. Excellent trigger, excellent grip, feels good in the hand. Excellent firearm IMO.

 

One note, my recoil spring guide rod popped apart. Walther (S&W) replaced it very quickly, but I also added a steel guide rid because I wasn't too happy with the plastic one (it works fine and I am sure it is a rare occurrence). I had about 2000 rounds through it at the point when it popped apart (during cleaning, not during shooting).

 

Still, accurate, excellent firearm.

PS: if you don't have a glock 19, check that out as well. Two of my favorite 9's to shoot. The recoil on the 19 is nonexistent.

Thanks for the input. I do like the Glock 19 but they are pretty hard to find as of late. I saw a glock 34 and 35 in a few shops near me and thought that may be a nice option as well. I know these are considered competition guns but saw quite a few favorable reviews for range and home defense which is what I am looking for. Hickok 45 raved about the 35. I also like that you can drop a 9mm barrel in the 35 and use the same mags.

34 and 35 are great pieces too! A little too long for tactical use in my opinion. Great for accuracy. 17 is the biggest I would go for home clearing personally.

You can't go wrong with any of the pieces mentioned. Go to the range and test a few to see what you like best!

I fondled a New PPQ M2 in 9mm yesterday at a Cabela's in Washington state. I thought long and hard about paying the $669.99 price and having it shipped to Gerard's Guns in Moorestown for me to pick up next week. When I finally asked the woman about having the gun shipped she politely told me that Cabela's did not ship from their stores to other state's FFLs.

 

This surprised me because I have talked to customer service at Cabela's about stores in other states that had the PPQ in stock. They told me I could go to the store, pay for the firearm and ship it to my FFL. They even gave me the cost for shipping @ 25$. After further questioning, an older gentleman at the gun counter told me that it was not a problem with shipping to an FFL, it was a problem with New Jersey.

 

Apparently Cabela's in Washington State has a policy of NOT selling to anyone from New Jersey. It did not matter if I the gun was legal in New Jersey or if I was legal to purchase the gun. There was literally no way that they would sell the gun or ship the gun to anyone if it would eventually end up in my hands. I am so disgusted with New Jersey politicians for being such a bunch of fucktards. I have to give some negative credit to Washington State too for being fucktards too. WTF?

Sorry for my language misuse. I am kinda grumpy.

I fondled a New PPQ M2 in 9mm yesterday at a Cabela's in Washington state. I thought long and hard about paying the $669.99 price and having it shipped to Gerard's Guns in Moorestown for me to pick up next week. When I finally asked the woman about having the gun shipped she politely told me that Cabela's did not ship from their stores to other state's FFLs.

 

This surprised me because I have talked to customer service at Cabela's about stores in other states that had the PPQ in stock. They told me I could go to the store, pay for the firearm and ship it to my FFL. They even gave me the cost for shipping @ 25$. After further questioning, an older gentleman at the gun counter told me that it was not a problem with shipping to an FFL, it was a problem with New Jersey.

 

Apparently Cabela's in Washington State has a policy of NOT selling to anyone from New Jersey. It did not matter if I the gun was legal in New Jersey or if I was legal to purchase the gun. There was literally no way that they would sell the gun or ship the gun to anyone if it would eventually end up in my hands. I am so disgusted with New Jersey politicians for being such a bunch of fucktards. I have to give some negative credit to Washington State too for being fucktards too. WTF?

 

What? I have bought a few guns from Cabelas stores, granted in gun library... but had them shipped to FFL.

 

I would ask to speak with manager.

Here is cabelas policy (driven by state policies):

 

http://www.cabelas.com/custserv/custserv.jsp?pageName=GunRestrictions

 

They used to have a listing of each state and where you could purchase dependent on your residency, but that was years ago and laws may have changed to become tighter or more relaxed since then.

Forgot to mention... The Walther mags are a bit expensive. However, the Magnum Research Baby Eagle mags are the same design as the PPQ. AND, they are almost half the price!!!

Forgot to mention... The Walther mags are a bit expensive. However, the Magnum Research Baby Eagle mags are the same design as the PPQ. AND, they are almost half the price!!!

 

For PPQ 1.... Not the PPQ 2.

 

 

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I bought a PPQ M2 in .40 cal last week from gun broker for $720 and am having it shipped to E.B. Sportsman. I know i paid about 100 dollars more than i could have if i was patient, but... i'm not patient. I called about 5 stores in N.J. asking if they had any in stock, and they all basically said they were impossible to get. So based on that along with only having 60 more days to use a permit i jumped on the chance to get it. I also just bought Viridian X5L light and green laser combo for it.

 

Also for what it's worth while i was researching this gun, i discovered that alot of people who own the PPQ M1 love the trigger guard paddle clip release. They can't understand why the M2 dropped the feature in favor of a push button. So this may have been a walther move to cater to the American market by removing that style of release.

Here is a current auction on gun broker on a .40 cal PPQ M2. It's got over 3 days left, the current bid is $409

 

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=332561158#PIC

Looking at one at bullseye tactical right now.

 

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Nice! That's an M1 in 9mm with 4" in barrel. Good price.