Mr.Stu

16 gauge steel is not really thick IMO.

The statute says the PD has 60 days to deny, otherwise it is approved by default. They may explicitly approve sooner.

What's the nature of the FTE? Is the brass still in the breech? Is it stove piping?

They do an SAO version of the legion too.

SAO or DA/SA?

That is the docket number assigned when the court receives your permit. The number where you put ### shows how many permits applications they received before yours this year.

My court order said I have to carry my permit. It said nothing about the court order being carried.

Also consider speed strips. They are less bulky than speedloaders so easier to carry around, but better than loose rounds. https://bianchileather.com/products/speed-strips-pair-10851

1. Have you been pulled over while carrying? Not yet, but it's only been 4 days. 2. Did you inform? N/A 3. Did the officer know if you had a PTC? N/A 4. Did the officer ask if you had any weapons? Never have in the past traffic stops, except the one time I didn't cover my gun stuff with a blanket. 5. Did the officer ask other related questions? Just the usual "where are you going" - Home "where are you coming from" - 1st answer name of town. 2nd answer a range in said town. 6. What was the officer's demeanor? Aggressive, passive, concerned, etc? Neutral 7. If you did inform the officer that you are armed, did you feel like it made you less likely or more likely to receive a ticket? I wasn't really armed, just transporting. Once the Trooper was down the firearms path (which ended nowhere) he seemed to have forgotten about writing a traffic ticket. 8. Considering that many of us do not yet have our PTC, how do you think you might handle questions #1 and #2? I'm going to be carrying concealed. There is no reason the LEO will know I'm armed in the usual run of a traffic stop. If for some reason they ask me to step out of the vehicle, it is more than likely they will do a Terry pat down - not that I'm planning on doing anything so crazy that they should feel the need to remove me from the vehicle. Before stepping out I would then tell them that I have a permit to carry a handgun and that it is holstered on my right hip. Then I'd ask them how they want me to proceed. My personal preference would be that we all agree to keep our guns holstered as an accident is far more likely while handling a gun than leaving it in its holster.

BTW, my practice won't change when we get regular sized mags back. It's not all about the number of rounds available. Magazines are the #1 cause of feed issues. An extra mag is good to have regardless of how many rounds it is limited to.

You can carry as many as you want. Personally, I carry at least 1 spare, and usually 2.

It hardest ones to help are those that think they know things and you have to break that down in order to build good techniques and skills from a firm foundation. Although it takes a good deal of instruction, an absolutely green student is easier because they are starting from a clean slate. Not familiar with that. What is "rule of 100"?

I have had some people come to me for quals and within the first mag I could tell they were not sufficiently proficient to pass the qual. Some can't get even half their shots on the paper at 25 yards. Most have never used a holster before. It is amazing how many people feel the need to support the holster with their support hand while putting the gun into the holster and as a result sweep their support hand with the muzzle of loaded pistol - never a good thing. To their credit, all of these people I have worked with accept that they had no idea how any things they need to be aware of to be able to safely handle their gun and I have been providing classes for they to develop the knowledge that they weren't even aware that they were missing. I even have one guy, that after he has fired however many shots in a string, he takes his finger off the trigger and indexes it - no issue. But when he brings the gun down into a low ready position, his finger goes back inside the trigger guard - big issue. I think, for a lot of casual or new gun owners, there are several safety considerations that they just don't know about and develop bad habits while standing in a shooting port.

In Hunterdon, mine was mailed to NJSP FIU in Trenton and then they forwarded it to the local Station via their internal mail (AKA pony express). It didn't help that they sent it to Sussex, where I used to live, rather than Washington where I live now.

The statutes and Admin Code are separate texts. The Statute is: 2C:58-4 Permits to carry handguns. 2C:58-4. a. Scope and duration of authority. Any person who holds a valid permit to carry a handgun issued pursuant to this section shall be authorized to carry a handgun in all parts of this State, except as prohibited by subsection e. of N.J.S.2C:39-5. One permit shall be sufficient for all handguns owned by the holder thereof, but the permit shall apply only to a handgun carried by the actual and legal holder of the permit. All permits to carry handguns shall expire two years from the date of issuance or, in the case of an employee of an armored car company, upon termination of his employment by the company occurring prior thereto whichever is earlier in time, and they may thereafter be renewed every two years in the same manner and subject to the same conditions as in the case of original applications. b. Application forms. All applications for permits to carry handguns, and all applications for renewal of permits, shall be made on the forms prescribed by the superintendent. Each application shall set forth the full name, date of birth, sex, residence, occupation, place of business or employment, and physical description of the applicant, and any other information the superintendent may prescribe for the determination of the applicant's eligibility for a permit and for the proper enforcement of this chapter. The application shall be signed by the applicant under oath, and shall be indorsed by three reputable persons who have known the applicant for at least three years preceding the date of application, and who shall certify thereon that the applicant is a person of good moral character and behavior. c. Investigation and approval. Each application shall in the first instance be submitted to the chief police officer of the municipality in which the applicant resides, or to the superintendent, (1) if the applicant is an employee of an armored car company, or (2) if there is no chief police officer in the municipality where the applicant resides, or (3) if the applicant does not reside in this State. The chief police officer, or the superintendent, as the case may be, shall cause the fingerprints of the applicant to be taken and compared with any and all records maintained by the municipality, the county in which it is located, the State Bureau of Identification and the Federal Bureau of Identification. He shall also determine and record a complete description of each handgun the applicant intends to carry. No application shall be approved by the chief police officer or the superintendent unless the applicant demonstrates that he is not subject to any of the disabilities set forth in subsection c. of N.J.S.2C:58-3, that he is thoroughly familiar with the safe handling and use of handguns, and that he has a justifiable need to carry a handgun. Each application form shall be accompanied by a written certification of justifiable need to carry a handgun, which shall be under oath and, in the case of a private citizen, shall specify in detail the urgent necessity for self-protection, as evidenced by specific threats or previous attacks which demonstrate a special danger to the applicant's life that cannot be avoided by means other than by issuance of a permit to carry a handgun. Where possible, the applicant shall corroborate the existence of any specific threats or previous attacks by reference to reports of the incidents to the appropriate law enforcement agencies. If the application is not approved by the chief police officer or the superintendent within 60 days of filing, it shall be deemed to have been approved, unless the applicant agrees to an extension of time in writing. d. Issuance by Superior Court; fee. If the application has been approved by the chief police officer or the superintendent, as the case may be, the applicant shall forthwith present it to the Superior Court of the county in which the applicant resides, or to the Superior Court in any county where he intends to carry a handgun, in the case of a nonresident or employee of an armored car company. The court shall issue the permit to the applicant if, but only if, it is satisfied that the applicant is a person of good character who is not subject to any of the disabilities set forth in subsection c. of N.J.S.2C:58-3, that he is thoroughly familiar with the safe handling and use of handguns, and that he has a justifiable need to carry a handgun in accordance with the provisions of subsection c. of this section. The court may at its discretion issue a limited-type permit which would restrict the applicant as to the types of handguns he may carry and where and for what purposes the handguns may be carried. At the time of issuance, the applicant shall pay to the county clerk of the county where the permit was issued a permit fee of $20. e. Appeals from denial of applications. Any person aggrieved by the denial by the chief police officer or the superintendent of approval for a permit to carry a handgun may request a hearing in the Superior Court of the county in which he resides or in any county in which he intends to carry a handgun, in the case of a nonresident, by filing a written request for a hearing within 30 days of the denial. Copies of the request shall be served upon the superintendent, the county prosecutor, and the chief police officer of the municipality where the applicant resides, if he is a resident of this State. The hearing shall be held within 30 days of the filing of the request, and no formal pleading or filing fee shall be required. Appeals from the determination at the hearing shall be in accordance with law and the rules governing the courts of this State. If the superintendent or chief police officer approves an application and the Superior Court denies the application and refuses to issue a permit, the applicant may appeal the denial in accordance with law and the rules governing the courts of this State. f. Revocation of permits. Any permit issued under this section shall be void at the time the holder thereof becomes subject to any of the disabilities set forth in subsection c. of N.J.S.2C:58-3, and the holder of a void permit shall immediately surrender the permit to the superintendent who shall give notice to the licensing authority. Any permit may be revoked by the Superior Court, after hearing upon notice to the holder, if the court finds that the holder is no longer qualified for the issuance of a permit. The county prosecutor of any county, the chief police officer of any municipality, the superintendent, or any citizen may apply to the court at any time for the revocation of any permit issued pursuant to this section. amended 1979, c.179, s.12; 1981, c.135, ss.1,3,4 2018, c.37, s.1. The Admin Code starts here and goes on for about 10 pages. https://advance.lexis.com/documentpage/?pdmfid=1000516&crid=01544385-641e-47a5-8044-4043ffd70ec9&nodeid=AATADYAADAAB&nodepath=%2FROOT%2FAAT%2FAATADY%2FAATADYAAD%2FAATADYAADAAB&level=4&haschildren=&populated=false&title=§+13%3A54-2.1+Permit+to+carry+a+handgun&config=00JAA1YTg5OGJlYi04MTI4LTRlNjQtYTc4Yi03NTQxN2E5NmE0ZjQKAFBvZENhdGFsb2ftaXPxZTR7bRPtX1Jok9kz&pddocfullpath=%2Fshared%2Fdocument%2Fadministrative-codes%2Furn%3AcontentItem%3A5XKV-PWB1-FFMK-M2T8-00008-00&ecomp=8gf5kkk&prid=2f6d5a3b-a4c6-4c52-a878-e1dd1932c6d3

I would carry it. Also, it is used by one of the biggest agencies that actually does test the ammo they issue - it is the current duty ammo for the FBI.

My permit has completed its tour of north Jersey and is now sitting quietly in my wallet. I'll post pictures when I have scanned them, but it looks just like all the others. I'm confused that under restrictions, 'None' and 'See Court Order' are both checked. The court order lists the guns I qualified with and states I can only carry those guns. I must have my permit with me while carrying. It also says that I "may amend this permit to include additional handgun(s) by notifying the court in writing, setting forth the make, model and serial number of the additional handgun(s) and demonstrating to the court by way of qualification that (my name) is thoroughly familiar with the safe handling and use of the additional handgun(s), in accordance with N.J.A.C. 13:54-2.4(b)" Finally, it says "any list of places where the carrying of firearms shall not be allowed, which is enacted by statute or regulation, shall be incorporated into this Order by law." There is nothing about Hornady Critical Duty that is poor performance. That's what I'm carrying.

This harks back to armored car drivers. The purpose would be restricted to while working.

Once you've voted, you can't change it. I'm picking mine up tomorrow morning.

It depends on your definition of cannot. Are people being restricted? Yes. Is it legal under NJ statute? Maybe. Is it permissible under the Second Amendment as informed by history and tradition from the time of the adoption of the Bill of Rights? Almost certainly not.

I just got the call...my permit is at Washington Station. I'll pick it up tomorrow when I'm working from home. I'm in the office today.

It will have been incorporated into FARS by then. Hopefully not as slow.

Aha! I always just knew it as Augusta Barracks so assumed Sussex Station was somewhere the other side of Sussex the town. Is Sgt. Hollar still there doing the firearms stuff?

He said it was at Sussex Station, not Augusta. The NJSP inter-office mail system is a joke - they even call it the "pony express" themselves. It works by whatever trooper is heading roughly the right direction to carry the mail to the next nearest Station or Barracks. When the Trooper from Washington called around she was told that there was "a lot of mail" for Washington at the Totowa Barracks. Maybe it's just me and my luck. Before FARS, there were 2 separate sets of PtPP about a year apart that both went missing between the FIU and Washington. Maybe Sussex has a room full of mail that they can barely shut the door to any more. ETA: Whenever I have had to deal with the FIU they have been great. They promptly re-issued the PtPP that went missing both times and sent them via USPS. This time around, the DSFC there has been great too.

The follow up is Her: I didn't know you were married before. Him: I wasn't