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Not really. Its not so much about engine rpm, as it is about momentary spikes in power draw exceeding the charging capacity of the alternator AND wiring. See below: This is a much more accurate description/characterization of how capacitors work, particularly in this type of installation. I don' t think they are a "gimmick". I think they do do what they are intended to do, when sized/installed correctly. They ARE a bit of a "crutch"/"band-aid" in some cases, while being the ONLY solution left in other cases. I do agree that high current draw application absolutely do require upgraded heavier gauge wiring, as well as the highest rated alternator/batteries you can get. Doing this first just might eliminate the need for a capacitor to begin with, or it may not, if your peak momentary current draw is still beyond the capabilities of the best alternator available. "Semantics" are not trivial. Right is right, and wrong is wrong. Saying something in a manner that correctly characterizes/ describes something; particularly something technical in nature, is important. It is not "picking on you", nor is it being a "dick", or a "douche",etc.... Similarly, so called "grammar Nazis" , should be thanked for being a bastion of civility and intelligence; rather then being mocked and "shouted" down. There IS a difference between "there", "their", and "they're"; as well "your" and "you're", etc.... They all mean different things. They convey DIFFERENT information, and it is not always possible to decipher someone's true "message", based solely on the surrounding context, when they use the wrong "version" of a word or phrase. It amazes, and dismays, me to see just how aggressively defensive so many people will be of their mistakes. It is as though people are proud of their ignorance or something.......

Hmm. Depends on how that transfer is viewed by the taxing authorities. Does your local FFL merely act as your agent in the transfer, or is it technically a case of them receiving/taking ownership of that incoming firearm, then "re-selling" it you when they complete the transfer? Keep in mind, the IRS/NJ Div of Revenue may view it differently, for tax purposes, then the Feds/ATF look at it, for gun law/FFL regs. purposes. Technically, this is all true, but its also not..... Just the same as ordering anything else from out of state, whether its guns, books, or blow up dolls (NOT that I would know about that one. - Really, seriously, NO) While the seller may not have to collect out of state sales tax, as the buyer, YOU are technically responsible for reporting any un-taxed purchases at the end of the year, and paying the difference between NJ sales tax, and any actual sales tax you may have paid to another jurisdiction on that purchase- for anything you bring into NJ for use here. AKA, sales AND USE tax. This is what that whole Amazon vs a bunch of states was all about. Now, granted, I doubt very many people actually report and pay this tax, but there is no FFL, NICS, FPID, P2P,etc.... for mail order auto parts, or that vintage Hummel figurine you just had to have off ebay. Interstate firearms sales are heavily monitored/regulated/recorded with a clear paper trail. I'm surprised "they" haven't already gone after the interstate gun market, to collect un-reported sales/use taxes. It would be one of the easiest e-commerce segments to do this to, because of all the documentation. Don''t get me wrong. I hope they don't, and it continues to fly under the radar. But, just to be clear, internet sales are not "tax exempt"; its just easy, and common place to dodge the taxes.

Not NY, but some interesting related articles: http://thegazette.com/2013/04/28/some-guns-used-in-iowa-crimes-sold-back-to-the-public/ http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-05-31/news/ct-met-st-charles-gun-sales-20130531_1_gun-control-debate-firearms-gun-laws These are both fairly recent (2013), but I could have swore I read some more articles about PD/states selling buy-back guns, several years ago. This what I got from a quick Google search, but I'm sure there is more out there. Ha, "government hates competition" : http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2013/06/police_gun_buyback_program_a_s.html Personally, I love hearing about people showing up at these government theft sessions gun buy backs, and hanging out on the street, buying stuff before it gets in the door. How would such a scenario work in NJ? I'm guessing that buying more then one handgun would be a problem, since you wouldn't have any advance opportunity to apply for an exemption from OGAM, but what about long guns? Would there be anything illegal (assuming you have a NJ FPID) about a citizen trying to buy from people in line, before they are able to turn them in? What paperwork is required? COE? Seeing as the COE does NOT have to be turned in, or even retained by the seller, do you REALLY have to fill one out for a long gun purchase? Do you think having to do it would discourage people from selling to a stranger while waiting in line to hand their gun over to police? Would the buyer be at risk for being arrested for an illegal transfer if they handled the firearm during a pre-purchase inspection?

What do they do with confiscated guns? Obviously some are going to be totally illegal (full-auto, banned by name,etc...), others may have "bodies" on them and be needed as evidence. What about good, serviceable, totally legal guns? Don't they have a legal obligation to sell them, and raise revenue for the city/state? I thought I remember reading an article or two about that somewhere, at some time, as to how all the "antis" were pissed that basically , cops/PD's HAVE TO sell them (legally of course), by law. Something about having a financial obligation to get the best "return" for the taxpayers. Maybe that was only applicable to "buyback" programs? Are their at least legal provisions/requirements for historic/rare/collectible firearms? Maybe a historical gun society or something needs to take up the cause of preserving at least those guns? I would hope that, at the very least, the ones which were stolen, would get back to their legal owners in SC....????

They always could have looked at private records, legally, as you waived privacy laws by signing the FPID apps. The issue is that up till now, it was impossibly impractical for them to check private records. They were, and still mostly are, too widely scattered among tens of thousands of providers, mainly on yellowing, moldy paper slowly rotting away in some storage basement. However, with advent and growing proliferation of EMR (electronic medical records), as well as Obamacare and various unrelated Medicare regulations, most of your healthcare records will, eventually, be consolidated into a single electronic file. Ostensibly, this is to facilitate continuity of care, among the various providers/specialists on your healthcare "team". For example, no more deadly drug interactions because your orthopedic doctor prescribed something that interacts badly with something your cardiologist has you on, but that the ortho doc is unaware of,etc..... It also helps to eliminate fraudulent and "double" billing, as well as thwarting "drug seekers", as it is easier to see if someone is "doctor shopping". Strictly in terms of health care delivery, a viable and functioning EMR system, with universal compatibility/cross-communication is a very good thing. The problem comes when all that juicy data in one nicely wrapped package is made available to, and used by the government (or other nefarious individuals) for other purposes. Of course, since the government is now involved in administering your health insurance, they will claim to have a legitimate "business" need to access that private health data. This will also make it much easier/simpler/practical for FPID mental health checks to include "private" mental health treatment, as it will eventually all be entered into a standardized system. Don't worry too much about PAST,or even near future, private mental health treatment. First of all, EMR is currently a disaster wrapped in a kerfuffle, boxed up inside a conundrum, tossed into a steaming pile of crap. There are hundreds, if not thousands of incompatible, buggy "systems", all vying to become "the" standard. Eventually they'll get their act together, and there will be a functioning universal "network", but not yet. Secondly, even if a fully functional network suddenly appeared in every Dr's office in the country tomorrow, and even if every doctor/office/facility magically received full training via mental osmosis, nobody's going to be digitizing all those moldy old records in the basement. So, going forward, keep your problems to yourself.......... Or ask the therapist to take cash under the table, and take no notes. Frisk them for pens/paper before hitting the couch, and for god's sake, use a fake name....... Its probably best to meet them in a back alley, under the cover of darkness.

Since most of them are from out of state, and therefor have no legitimate purpose commenting there, we should start "reporting" all of those out-of-state "sign the bill" comments as spam. It only take a few seconds, and a couple mouse clicks. Just be sure to only do it the ones you're sure are coming from out-of-state.

We have to fight dirty. As I suggested in another post some where, and as others discussed/did in the primary yesterday, we have to play their games. Start bussing in our own people to vote. Try to sabotage the dems by voting in their primaries. Stick them with loser candidates. Its not so much that so many people in NJ really, actively like/want all these stricter gun laws. Its that they just don't care one way or the other. Sure there are rabid antis, but the largest percentage of reliable liberal voters are more concerned with either 1.) abortion, gay rights, and hugging trees or 2.) Making sure "they gubment checks keeps comin homies" "'cuz they gotz baby mommas to payz.", or 3.) "Like, dude, I just want a little weed and munchies, maaaan. Stop trying to harsh my buz". ( Note that group may also be found mixed with either #1 or #2) #2- Forget it. We need to stop that crap. Compromises in this area are mostly unacceptable. Pandering to, or reasoning with this demographic is a waste of time. Best tactic here would be to push to a. Make ballots in English only, B.) Try to institute voter id, and even some form of qualification testing. Note, this isn't a racially motivated opinion. I'm not a racist, I AM an "intelligist" I really don't think someone should have a say in how things are run, if they can't demonstrate an ability AND willingness to make an INFORMED choice; especially when their choice can have such a dramatic impact on the lives of others. By no means would someone have to agree with me to pass the test. I think people should have to show at least some knowledge of the issues at hand and the various major candidates varied positions on them, as well as being able to articulate some rational thought process. Note that I am aware that this problem of "zombie" voting, without much real thought, is not limited to inner cities, or minorities. There are plenty of white middle class 20 something airheads who vote liberal because its the "in" thing, or voted for Obama because "he'll like fix stuff and junk, because my friends/the internet said so". However, #3 is a golden opportunity to win over a "growing" demographic, by having "conservative" candidates renounce the stupid, wasteful, and ineffective drug "war". It would also be the fiscally responsible thing to do, if they need a "traditional values" type of "cover". I have never, and will never use any type recreational "drug", other then an incurable addiction to caffine....... However, I don't care if someone else wants to do so, in the privacy of their own home, or other private place where they permission to do so. One way or another, legalization of pot is going to happen. Why not ride the wave, and take credit for a popular change? As for group 1, while there are extremists among them who will never compromise, many more are more in the middle, and open to reasonable solutions, if given the choice. Bottom line, the only way to win is to FIGHT! We need a no nonsense take no prisoners type of leader. Someone who isn't worried about the next election, the minute the current one is over.

Hmmm, has anybody considered re-visiting/ filing another lawsuit around the 30 day requirement? I understand that the ruling was that the court wouldn't"force" the local PD to issue the FPID WITHOUT receiving the mental health checks back from the county/whoever, as well as getting back background checks from the NJSP,etc... That does actually make sense, and I can't say I disagree with that. It is logical, that if the law requires that these checks be made, then they need to happen before the card is issued; otherwise the whole background check process becomes meaningless anyway. HOWEVER, rather then asking a judge/court to force the local PD to issue an FPID w/o those checks back in from other agencies, why not seek to have those other outside agencies MANDATED by court order, to fulfill THEIR legal obligations to process/return those checks promptly? Ie, court orders county adjusters offices to process/return results of all checks within, say 14 days of receipt. PERIOD. Whatever they have to do to accomplish is their problem. Hire extra staff, have the supervisor work Sat/Sun/Holidays, run 3 shifts 24/7,whatever etc.... No excuses. They either do it, or the dept. head is in contempt of court, and sits in a cell until the agency is in compliance. I bet stuff would get done in a hurry. Also, while I don't expect the court(s) to order the local PD ( or the relevant SP barracks) to issue the FPID w/o the checks, they can be required to do certain other things, to show a good faith/best effort to meet the 30 day deadline, on their part; while still staying within the intent of the law (that no one should get an FPID until they have been verified to be qualified(via the B/G checks) to do so 1.) Mandate that all dates be documented, and such documentation be available to the applicant at any time. Ie, the locals MUST document (via postmarks, signed/dated registered mail receipts,etc.. or sworn notarized declarations by officers/chief for things that are not mailed- with SEVERE consequences for lying/falsification) : a.) the day/time application received from citizen b.) day/time/by which officer was application recvd/accepted, and first reviewed/work begun c.) date each reference letter was mailed (proof of postmark/mailing required) to each reference, or the day/time/by method/by which officer an attempt was made to make contact via other then mail- as well as documenting the result of that contact (spoke to ref-contact complete, no answer/left message, spoke with other person-will make another attempt at xx day/time,etc...) d.) date/time requests for information from other agencies (mental health, other prior towns of residence,etc..) was made, method of request (mail/fax/phone call), proof of date of mailing, fax confirmation, or documentation of who spoke to/what time/what number(ok to partially redact private#'s) e.) documentation, such as signed/sworn logs detailing date/time/by whom of receipt of all the above, as well as same type/method of documentation of follow up when any of the above are not received promptly f.) documentation of date/time of any contact with the applicant (including attempted notification of any delays and/or of completed FPIDs or P2P ready for pickup), regardless of whether initiated by applicant, or by PD, documentation of details of contact (what was discussed, with whom, what dates/promises/agreements-if any were made, what followup-if any is required by either party and when will it be done by,etc...) This typical call center/help desk type stuff. It stops things from falling through the cracks. 2.) REQUIRE that local PD's engage in what has been called "parallel" processing, in order to minimize any delays. In other words, no sitting on apps while waiting for outside agencies. They should promptly proceed to do "their end" of everything while waiting for the other stuff, so when it arrives, the app can proceed immediately. Again, if the local PD want a pass on the 30 day window, then they need to show good faith, and come to the table with "clean hands", showing that the delays really aren't their fault. 3.) Mandate that any "intentional" delay or blatant "feet dragging" ; by any official involved in the FPID/P2P process, due to their personal political/moral views, are to be considered to be misconduct of the highest degree, and will be punished accordingly. Further, any expression/statement/actions of any official, while on-duty, or at work (for non-police) which are anti-2A,anti-gun or otherwise hostile or intimidating to applicants or other citizens should also be considered highly inappropriate and NOT tolerated. While perhaps not quite as serious as the active interference mentioned above, this activity/actions should also be subject to official disciplinary action. Yes, they are entitled to their personal opinions, but not while on-duty/at-work on the public payroll. They have sworn/agreed to uphold the law. The law is that people are allowed to have/buy guns, subject to certain restrictions. FPID apps are part of that lawful process. They need to follow/enforce/administer the law without injecting their personal bias. 4.) In light of several instances documented in various threads, as well as what we can all agree happens on a regular basis with any kind of "confrontational" phone contacts (not just gun, or even government related- it happens when calling companies,etc...), all government employees MUST identify themselves in a meaningful manner ( I understand that full names might be a security/personal safety concern. Then they need to use something else, such as Employee Id#- as long as it is something which can definitely be traced/attributed back to them and only them- for accountability purposes), upon request, by/to any caller, when inquiring about the application process, the status of their application,etc.... They must also identify the department they work for/how they are involved in the permit process,etc... They must also provide name and contact info for their supervisor any time it is requested. 5.) Here's one that seems to be a big problem and source of frequent delays.... Local PD should be REQUIRED to accept applications during normal business hours, 5 days a week - national holidays excluded, as a minimum. Sure, they can take them 24/7/265 if they are willing, but the 5day/business hours should be a minimum. There can be some leeway on what those hours are, but anything along the lines of 8am-5pm, 7am-4pm, 6am-3pm, 12pm-8pm,etc........ Basically, a minimum of 7-8hrs a day, with a reasonable attempt to accommodate varying schedules. Of course, small town departments should get some leeway for legit emergencies,etc.... I would expect that a state police barracks, or say Newark, should always have the building opened and staffed; whereas as small town in the Pine Barrens may have more reasonable justification for everyone being "out" on calls occasionally 6.) Again, along the lines of the whole "good faith effort", and showing that the delays are not their fault, the PD should be REQUIRED to have both an officer/Det./Sgt/whatever they use to actively process apps at all times (holidays and true all-hands emergencies excepted), as well as a CLEO or his designated substitute to sign them. No more excuses of Det A. is on vacation this week, and Chief B. is out for the next month, so you'll just have to wait. Someone MUST be assigned (and properly trained) to perform the detectives FPID activities in his absence, and the Chief should be REQUIRED to delegate/assign someone else to sign the completed apps in his absence. Also, along the same lines as maintaining normal hours for the acceptance of the apps, those apps MUST be processed/investigated on a daily basis, like any other "case". No more having one guy work on FPID apps for 2hrs, on the 4th Tuesday following a full moon. I don't want to hear any whining about not having manpower/budget,etc.... Tough cookies. The state has made it your job to process these apps. Just like the County offices (for mental health), background checks,etc...., it isn't OUR (citizens) problem. You simply have to do it, no matter what. if you don't like it bitch to the state, about it being an unfunded mandate or something. Maybe they can raid some of the corrupt slush funds to provide the funding. Maybe, instead of wasting time organizing/conducting botched drug raids, or busting sick people smoking a little pot, they can divert some of the "task force" funds to facilitating citizens' 2A rights. One less armored personnel carrier could pay for a lot of "desk time" for an officer processing FPIDs. Or, perhaps a few less prostitution "stings"..... Just don't try to pay for it with more traffic tickets...... That's a whole 'nother kind of wrong (viewing citizens as walking/rolling ATM's)

I agree that shooting down an airplane at cruising altitude, with any rifle, is just about impossible. I THINK the world record for a confirmed sniper kill shot is about 1.5 miles. I'm pretty sure that's what I saw on one of those Discovery/History/Military Channel shows recently. I believe it was a Canadian sniper, a few years ago in Afghanistan. However, I also seemto recall reading/hearing that a .50 cal sniper rifle is anti-materiel effective to a much shorter range then it is capable of killing a person. Makes sense, as it takes more energy at impact to punch through an engine block, then through flesh and bone. On the other hand, on take off and landing, an aircraft is much more vulnerable. While I see your point, as far as takeoff/landings still being at high speed, if the sniper were positioned in a fairly direct line to the nose or tail, "lead" becomes irrelevant. If he/she were positioned facing the nose of the aircraft, it gets even easier, as the range is constantly decreasing, and the plane would basically fly into the bullet. Which, incidentally (at least in my novice opinion), would appear to dramatically increase the impact energy, as the speed of the aircraft itself would have the same effect as if it were stationary, and the bullet were going that much faster. So, a .50cal rifle could probably easily take out a large aircraft at a critical point on takeoff or landing, which would then result in loss of control/crash. In some cases (such as an aircraft loaded to near max takeoff weight), losing even a single engine, or even a partial loss of power in that one engine, even in a multi engined plane, could be immediately catastrophic and unrecoverable. Now, that said, a .30-06, a .308, or even a lucky well placed .22 (say getting sucked into the engine inlet), could do the same. They key is the correct placement/location of the sniper, in that "head-on" orientation to an active runway, as well as being close enough. That falls to airport security,etc... to keep unauthorized people out of sensitive areas; which they should already be doing anyway. There is already a pretty big "no-go" buffer zone both on, and surrounding airport property, at most if not all, major airports. All they need to do is keep people far enough away from the runways, in a direct line, for as long of a distance as possible and/or shield it with trees/secured buildings and other visual obstructions which would impeded a sniper from having clean shot. Yes, the planes need a certain amount of open space, but I doubt they need 1.5 miles at both ends of the runway....... Realistically, there are probably only a handful of people in the world who would have a chance in hell of making that shot anyway, and most, if not all, of them are us/our allies/work for countries who wouldn't do this (I'm sure there are some great Russian snipers, but I don't see Russia trying to shoot down a commercial airliner on American soil) So, realistically, a 3/4 to 1mile buffer is more then enough. No need whatsoever to ban a rifle that very few people can afford, very few people could use effectively, in this manner, even if they were given the rifle for free, and that terrorists would find a way to get anyway in spite of a ban, if they really wanted one bad enough.

I'm definitely no expert but I have learned a few Enfield facts over the last month or so. From what I gather, magazine fitment and feed issues are common. Mainly because the magazines were never designed for frequent removal and/or interchange between individual guns. The mag was meant to stay inserted in the rifle it was issued with, and to reloaded with 5round stripper clips. I have also read that aftermarket mags can frequently not fit/work right without custom fitting. According to the internet, "pro mag" is notoriously problematic; not that there are many options for Enfield mags anyway...... Also, apparently magazines from various different models and mark#s of enfields will physically appear to interchange, but not fit/function correctly. For example, a No3 mag in a No4 rifle, or an Ishapore .308 mag in a No4 rifle (thse will work, with some trimming/filing- assuming you have a .308/7.62 rifle).

Yes and no... Currently the whole EMR (electronic medical records) issue is a giant cluster f@ck, of many different competing incompatible systems. Doctor A. may have your records in THEIR electronic database, but for now, it is unlikely that that database can communicate with Dr B.'s office (unless they bought the same software, and wanted/paid for the ability to communicate), or any hospital, the government,etc... Hell, half the time they aren't able to electronically submit bills to the insurance companies, because of various "glitches". HOWEVER, as "Obamacare" ramps up, and Medicare "meaningful use" (of EMR) regulations kick in, all of these medical providers will be FORCED to make their systems compatible, or face the loss of eligibility to collect payment from Medicare. Of course, private insurers often model their reimbursement policies around Medicare as well. In addition, beyond any insurance issue, the whole "medical home" concept that is being pushed, pretty much requires/depends on the seamless transfer of medical records between various providers involved in your care. So, it IS coming, one way or another. Its just a matter of how long it takes for everybody to "play nice" with each other. When I first heard Christie signed this bill, and I saw people mentioning HIPPA, I breathed a sigh of relief. I figured someone WOULD sue the state on those grounds and get this bill overturned. Then I thought a little more. The forms one signs when applying for a FIPD WAIVE your HIPPA rights. From NJSP form SP-066 (Mental Health Consent form): "I, __________________________________________________ am aware of my rights under N.J.S.A. 30:4-24.3, and the Health Insurance Portability and Insurance Accountability Act (HIPAA), 45 C.F.R. 164.50, and consent to the disclosure of my mental health records to the Chief of Police and the Superintendent of State Police, or their designees, for the purpose of verifying my firearms permit application and my fitness to own a firearm under N.J.S.A. 2C:58-3. I understand that copies of this authorization shall be considered sufficient authorization for the release of records." The "out" for them to give the records to feds/NICS system is the portion I highlighted in red. We're screwed. It would seem that Orwell is becoming less of a fiction writer, and more of a prophet of the future.........

Its either a software error in the forum, or the poster whose posts are showing it are doing some sort of incorrect manual html coding. Google is your friend.... http://www.sightspecific.com/~mosh/www_faq/nbsp.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-breaking_space

Can't argue with any of that.

Yes. I mean what did they expect? Oh wait, they expected he would just wither under the mighty authority of the municipal mafia, and quietly go away while they stole his property? (And yes, they definitely stole it. Those town officials are criminals!) http://nj1015.com/two-shot-dead-at-pa-municipal-building/ "11:41 a.m. - Newell has been arraigned on homicide charges and charged with three counts of homicide and two counts of attempted homicide. At the arraignment, a judge asked if he owned any property and Newell said: “No, they stole it from me. That’s what started all this.”" I also have to disagree with a couple of other points: 1.) It's sad that (2), not (3) ,people died. Namely the 2 who appeared to be innocent bystanders "Gerard J. Kozic, 53, was pronounced dead at the scene. He was a musician who performed on the White House lawn in 2004. James LaGuardia, 64, owned a television repair service and was outside the municipal building when he was shot and killed." It would appear that these two were just residents at the meeting for their own purposes, and not guilty in this mans land theft. For them, I can not condone his actions. He should have exercised better discretion in limiting his targets to the criminals posing a threat to his survival (the town officials), and perhaps those directly attempting to intervene. In regards to the 3rd "victim", "5:20 p.m. - Details emerge on the shooting victims. David Fleetwood, 62, was a Chestnuthill Township Supervisor who doubled as the Ross Township Zoning Officer. He died after being flown to the hospital." : He doesn't count as a victim, and its not sad. Being the zoning officer, he was an accessory to the crimes being committed against Mr. Newell. The zoning officer, and any other town agents (municipal mafia members/enforcers) posed just as much of a deadly threat to Mr. Newell's continued survival as if they had held a gun to HIS head. This one did get what he had coming. Perhaps his replacement, and counterparts in other towns, will hesitate just a bit before backing a citizen into a similar corner again, or knowingly robbing a human being of everything they have, over some silly self-important words on a nearly worthless "code" book. Make no mistake, the town already used deadly force against him, when it took all he had, and made him homeless. Just because it didn't involve the direct use of a physical weapon, don't think that it was not an act of force which threatened Mr. Newell's life. "11:30 a.m. – KYW TV tweets that according to an affidavit of the shooter he was heard to say he wished he had killed more people. The Pocono Record reports that court papers also say he targeted meeting because it was only time could get supervisors, solicitor in single location: court papers." 2.) I do sort-of condone his actions. Someone has to be brave enough to fight back. I just wish he would have gone about it with a little more focus. He started off with a perfectly reasonable ( and justifiable) plan. The problem is when he started just shooting randomly. If he had stuck to only those who truly posed a threat (town officials involved in the attacks on him/his property as well as those who might try to intervene today), I would call him a patriotic hero, fighting back against a government run-a-muck, with the only thing they understand: the use of force. Unfortunately, he got sloppy, lost focus, and lost the moral high ground, with the random shooting, and killing of the 2 un-involved people.

Waiting seems counter intuitive to me. The general public has the attention span of a flea with A.D.D. I would think it would best to go ahead and veto now, and put as much distance between that and the election, hoping that the liberals/antis will be distracted by the next shiny object/scandal.

Thanks for the reply. That's interesting that they would go to different agencies, depending on the purpose. Unfortunately, that would leave the door open for getting an all clear on your own preemptive check, and still have something come up in the "official" one, just due to mismatched records or something between the FBI and NJSP. I wonder if the 2 day response was "normal" or if you just got lucky? If that is normal, then I wonder why the actual FID check takes so long?

Well, first, it would have to be kept somewhat "quiet" to prevent them for being able to "counter-attack" before its to late. Second, immediately upon taking control, "our side" would have move to remove/repeal the legal mechanisms for those "give-aways" and freebies. That would then swiftly be followed by voting regulations/reforms, as well as other methods/tactics to insure that illegals are NOT voting, and, as much as possible, are being discouraged from coming here. As long as "our team" have a clear majority, and control of the senate and the governors office (plus why not go for as many local offices as possible at the same time), it makes it much easier to tell the feds to take their opinions and "regulations" on "profiling", coddling of illegals,and opposition to voter id,etc... and shove it up their you-know-whats. Don't run away. Stay and fight!

Umm, folks, I would just like to point out that you are giving the "anti's" EXACTLY what they want, if you are ready to flee the state. They hate us, they think we are mentally defective in some way simply for thinking guns are anything but death machines ready to start spraying bullets randomly at a moments notice. They WANT all of us to just go away, leave them to their "Utopian" gun-free "collective". The more of you who leave, the tighter "their" grip will be on this state. The SMART thing to do, would be to suck it up just a little longer, rally everyone you know all across the country, to move TO NJ, and register to vote. I realize that not everyone could do it, but many probably could. You only need to live in NJ for 30 days, to vote here. I'll bet there are people across the country who are a.) retired and free to move as they please, or b.) have a months vacation saved up at work. It would be best if it were a massively coordinated effort, to : 1.) make sure we put enough people in the right districts. No sense in wasting "warm bodies" in areas that are routinely red anyway. It looks like we would need to take away 5 seats from the DUMB-ocrats, to take their senate majority. It would be best to focus on currently blue districts that have a relatively low populations, as it would take fewer "ringers" to take the elections there. Of course, focusing on taking out Sweeney (District 3 - rural south west Jersey - easy!), Buono (District 18), and Weinberg (District 37), and perhaps Richard Codey (District 27). That's 4 right there. The last of the required 5 could be chosen based on either who is the biggest threat, or which district would be easiest to take. 2.) Coordinating things such as cheap housing (perhaps some like minded landlords could be helpful here - especially owners/managers of apt. complexes), helping people get registered, or even just acclimating to there new "homes" would make things more likely to succeed. Why has this not occurred to anyone before? Yes, if handled wrong, it could be considered voter fraud. But, as long as everything is done to the letter of the law, we could DECIMATE the liberals. There is no reason why would even need to stop at 5 seats, if we had enough participants. We could wipe them off he political map almost instantly. Repeal of AWB? Done!, NFA weapons? Done!, Shall Issue CCW? Done! Lower taxes, Less corruption, Reigning in power hungry out-of-control local "governments"? Done!

Well, that's the the thing: I don't recall, these many years later, if I WAS "adjudicated" a juvenile delinquent, or if it was just a term that had been "thrown around" in court, regarding the incident. It was a long time ago, and neither my mother(dead) or stepfather(no contact/moved to the other side of the country) are around to ask, and any family records were lost. The form does ask if you were ever judged a juvenile delinquent (#18). Given the article I linked in my first post, it seems there are severe consequences for an innocent oversight/misunderstanding, so I'd rather be sure. I'm still looking for answers to the 3 questions which I created this post for. I even lettered/bullet pointed them. Can someone please just answer the questions, especially A.)? Will a personal use criminal history show EVERYTHING that LE would see when running it for FPID?

Thanks. I fixed it. Should work now. I don't know why, but the "forum" software kept adding in that extra nonsense, as I only "pasted" the exact url. I had to edit it about 10 times before it didn't so it. Maybe something screwy with the board? Yeah, its kinda the juvenille thing. There was one incident, when I was probably 12-13yrs old. The school principal was a.) a dick, and b.) butt buddies with a local detective. We had a disagreement, and when I tripped and knocked over a chair while yelling at him, he ASSumed I was trying to throw it at him, so he called his special little friend. I don't really remember exactly how it ended up, but I do remember I had to go to court. SO, rather then getting arrested for not remembering, maybe I should find out first. I highly doubt that it would be a reason for a denial, even if there is a record, but if there is and I put "no", apparently honest mistakes are cause for arrest. On the other hand, if there is no record, then no need to volunteer any extra info. So, anyway, can anybody answer the questions I posed in the initial post?

My question is this: After reading this: http://yournjattorneys.com/lie-on-your-nj-firearms-id-card-application-get-arrested/ It seems like it might be a good idea to run a criminal history check, for personal purposes, prior to applying for the FPID, to be sure there are no "surprises" that could result in the above referenced situation. Apparently, you can use this form http://www.nj.gov/njsp/info/pdf/092509_universforma.pdf , and for $41, have a criminal history check run, for your own personal use. A.) Would this check show everything / the same thing that local LE would get from a FPID app? B.) Assuming that you then applied for the FPID within a reasonable time frame (how long?), would they be able to "re-use" those prints and/or that record check, saving time and money? c.) I'm a little confused, as to where the records/results go. If you are doing this for "personal records" purposes, does Morphotrack send the results directly to me, or would it still go through the local PD?

Wow! Thanks SOOOO much for that incredibly helpful post. Whatever would we do without you and your highly valuable assessment of the "shadiness" of other peoples questions/opinions? I mean, you even used an exclamation point, so your position on the nature of the thread must be super important and totally valid! (see I did it too, so I must also be right!) What happened to: Seriously, if you are just to going to be negative, then just go away. Your first comment or two were somewhat helpful/added to the conversation, but it seems like you just want to be passive aggressive / abrasive about it now.

Yes, I realize it is not a cheap hobby/activity. All the more reason not to throw away money, at an already greedy/over funded government. In any case: A.) Its more then $58. With the closest "MorphoTrack" facility being 45min-1hr away from me, the gas would cost about $20. With multiple trips to the PD, etc..., its more like $80-$85 in real costs. Assuming they don't deny it. In that case, in your own words, "wait until you see what a lawyer wants to just listen to your side of the story." That $80 is 80-90 rounds of ammo, or more importantly, its a cell phone bill, or an electric bill with some left over,etc.... B.) I can't afford any mods, or to shoot it right now. This is just about getting it into my possession, so it is mine, to do with as I please in the future. Now, once I am able to get steady employment, that would be a different story. But I've been looking for nearly 4 years, so I'm not holding my breath. Really? I would be surprised if they never tried that trick. Of course they could just take the easy way out and "lose" the paperwork....... If they did deny, no way I can afford a lawyer to appeal, and then I have a denial "on my record" Yeah, I know they would still talk to them, but the thought was that the longer I wait, the less likely that the old PD would even remember me; and therefore less likely to have anything bad to say. Between some of the officers moving on to other employment, and the ones that are left having their brains filled with newer problems/people, I figured it would be best to be nothing more then a vague memory at worst, and "never heard of him" at best. As for your scenario, about the flat, considering that it would be an unforeseen, unavoidable emergency, I would think that would fall under a deviation being "reasonably necessary under the circumstances", particularly if I could provide a receipt for the gunsmithing work, or proof I just left a range,etc... Yes, they might give me a hard time, but in the end, how could anyone find that not to be reasonably necessary, "UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES" (those exact words are in the law)? Going back to the cost of the application, etc..., has anyone ever tried to sue on the grounds that having to pay fees totaling approximately $70-$85 in order to exercise ones' constitutional rights amount to a:) economic discrimination and b:) violates the "equal protection under the law" requirements, and are therefor unconstitutional? I might be willing to be the test case/lead plaintiff in a class action suit, if an attorney wanted to do it

See post #11 in this thread, by emt_sar. It does not need to be specifically stated in a written will, that it goes to me. The executor of the estate is authorized to act on my grandfathers behalf. If the estate says it goes to me, then it is "willed"to me, assuming that doesn't contradict a specific instruction to the contrary of course. I suppose..... I don't have the money right now, but I guess I'll give it a shot when I do. In the mean time, thanks to pizza_bob and emt_sar, I feel comfortable taking possession without the fpid for now. As I said, its not really shootable right now anyway, so its just gonna sit in the closet.

LOL! :-)