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I have used FMJ, LSWC, Jacketed flat point and jacketed hollow points in my P220 without any particular issues so I’d say T Bill and Johnny B are probably right on it being specific to the Hornady XTP... I was a little wary about LSWC but mine works perfectly fine with them though others have reported issues. But, that’s a perfect example of why you should practice with the ammo you are planning to use for defense. We all need that reminder every now and then. Thanks -Jim

Well, also a bunch of LEOs saying they wouldn't/couldn't enforce it so there is that... -Jim

They added the Ruger Mini 14 to the prohibited list too I just noticed. Geez... not leaving us anything are they...

I am so glad that NJ has no other major issues that require our legislature to spend time on. This way they can dedicate all their time screwing with us. I am here for a couple more years at least because my wife is in school but I am trying to decide if there is any way I can swing the cash buy a second house or maybe a condo elsewhere... -Jim

Thanks for the info. I think I’ll pass on it then. -Jim

Wow, “a semi automatic version of an automatic rifle” doesn’t that mean a Browning BAR is out? So if you have a normal pistol with a detachable magazine and a threaded barrel, you will be illegal? Geez We are so screwed...

That’d take actual work and they’d be inconveniencing their base. It’ll never happen.. we are easier targets because we don’t vote for them anyway and we obey the laws better then most by and large.

Fun fact, Kreiger doesn’t have a doctorate in anything. His first name is actually “Doctor” LOL

I love this show -Jim

https://patch.com/new-york/whiteplains/astorino-vetos-gun-show-ban-county-owned-property here you go. They are already trying it out in White Plains. One vote stopped them from banning this gun show. “Majority Leader Catherine Borgia, D-Ossining, said the ban would have been a good first step in stemming the proliferation of guns in Westchester” <sarcasm on> ...because we all know Westchester is known as a place where criminals keep massive amounts of illegal weapons. They must be stopped! The lunacy coming soon to NJ to stop all of those NJ gun shows we have around here. <sarcasm off> -Jim

I know they are owned by Optics Planet (who also owns full30) but does anyone here use them? Are the prices and products worth signing up for? I have bought quite a few things from Optics Planet over the last few years and sometimes they have really good prices and often have coupons. Just wondering if DVOR is worthwhile, I don’t want to sign up and get flooded with spam or never use them because they don’t have a lot of useful stuff. Any idea on it? thanks -Jim

With that laminate stock it looks more like a 336 then a 1894. I’d prefer something with solid wood... just more traditional looking I guess.. I thought about the Henry too but I like loading gates better then tube loading. -Jim

This’ll get you partway there, semi auto with a pump option: https://www.benellile.com/m3-convertible-semi-auto-pump-shotgun

I guess it depends which side of that shotgun you find yourself on -Jim

Well, I am not overly versed on SXS models out there right now but like everyone else has said, O/U, SXS and pump models you get the full recoil into the stock since there is no where else for it to go. In a semi a lot is soaked up by the bolt action so if recoil sensitivity is an issue, semi is the way to go. That said, using a limbsaver helps tremendously and putting one on a semi brings the recoil down to a light push. It’ll help even on an O/U, SXS or pump too. If you are still hooked on a SXS or O/U, I like the Weatherby Orion as a well made, not too expensive O/U (about $800) I have been looking at O/Us for a while now for clays shooting and they can get crazy expensive. The Weatherby seems to be a sturdy, jack of all trades type backed by a good warranty. I have heard mixed reviews on the lower priced Stevens 555, Mossberg Silver reserve and Stoeger Condors. Seems it’s tough to make a reliable, low cost O/U. Even Ruger hasn’t been able to crack that nut. I am kind of put off by the tactical style ones like the stoeger double defense or the Mossberg maverick HS-12. I like the way they look for what they are made to do they are a one trick pony though which means they’d never get used and I am not sure I’d want to defend myself with something I am not well practiced with. I can take my Stoeger m2000 and go hunting (not a hunter but I could), clay shooting, whatever and use it for home defense when I am home just as well and have more shots on tap then an O/U or SXS and it cost well below either of those. That’d be the other argument for a pump or semi, in most of those you can get dedicated barrels for different things pretty easily and in most cases fairly inexpensively (Short ones for home defense, slug barrels, trap barrels, etc) just a few thoughts for you. -Jim

I have an astigmatism which makes red dots kind of oblong and blurry. Best I have found so far is the Ultradot that I use on my bullseye pistol. http://www.ultradotusa.com/ultradotdist2010_004.htm It’s still a little oddly shaped and if my eyes are tired it gets worse but if I am not tired, it’s good. Way better then cheaper ones I have tried. I don’t think they have green though, just red dots... -Jim

Well, if the Dems are going to hide their incompetence on the matter and negate the argument for reciprocity, what makes you think Murphy is going to stop pardoning out of state people like Christy did? He may even pardon more and come away looking great to people outside NJ. That’s the saddest part. He would look good to out of staters for “helping” with problems that his party caused to begin with while not actuallly doing anything to fix the problem laws for us in the state. -Jim

Thanks for the info Rosey. I’m not being negative on it or what you are doing at all. I just like to have the facts. Every time we call out one of these things as a “NJ laws screwed someone else” and it turns out to not be the case, it weakens the argument the next time we need it so I like when it’s unambiguous. Seems much more straightforward now, he is legal to drive that way in TX, was caught in NJ and busted for it. The parents being in PA is sort of a non-relevant bit of info that was confusing the issue to me -Jim

Hmm, still clear as mud. I’m thinking if he is a PA resident now, NJ is going to say that he should know the laws of the state he lives in, and they’d be right. Since NJ and PA have the same law where this is concerned, I think this is going to be an uphill battle. I am still not clear though, does he live in Texas and his parents live in PA or does he live in PA? It’s hard to make the argument the he “had the same rights as he does where he lives” if he’s living in PA and he doesn’t have that right there. Either way is sounds like he should get some kind of a break but I am unclear if this is actually a “NJ law screwed someone else” issue. It sounds like if he was in PA he’d still be in trouble. -Jim

I have to ask this because it is not stated in the original post, what state is the accused from and is it legal in his home state to have a loaded shotgun uncased in the main cabin of the vehicle? I hate seeing people get caught in the NJ suck as much as everyone else here but if what he was doing is illegal in his home state too, I suspect he’s not going to get to far with an NJ prosecutor and I am not too sure he should. It wouldn’t be a matter of unknowingly doing something common and legal in his home state that NJ law stupidly determines is illegal like Shaneen Allen was arrested for, it would be an act illegal in both states so there’s no real excuse. If it is legal in his home state he has a lot more solid argument against NJ. JMHO -Jim

Well, honestly I find most PCC’s are kind of... well if not ugly at least odd looking. My wife’s cx4 is kind of funky looking to me but runs great. I am looking at a sub2k because I can get it to work with CZ75 magazines but it looks kind of anemically odd to me. Then there is the Hi Point.... well let’s just say it’s unique looking. I might have to look into this one a bit though. I’d prefer Ruger over Kel Tec generally but the convenience of one magazine type, 4lbs and the fold-ability is a strong pull. The Ruger takedown is a nice feature though and the 10/22 action reliability is legendary... -Jim

I’m with Pizza Bob on this one. P226 is a great choice. I would also throw out CZ75 of some sort in 9mm or a CZ97b or bd as another viable alternative in 45. http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-97-bd-45-acp-black-aluminum-grips-3-dot-tritium-night-sights-10-rd-mags/ Czcustom or Cajun Gun Works can help out with a red dot... -Jim

I had a college accounting professor who said he always tried to calculate what his withholding should be to the dollar so he only gave exactly what was required or maybe a little under. He said the same thing, why loan the government money at 0 percent interest. He’d rather pay $100 at tax time then have them give back $1000 that he could have used or invested during the year. We haven’t had much by way of tax refunds in the last 10 years. Usually we have to pay a little. I am good with that. -Jim

I have an older p220R and like it a lot. The legion has a great trigger. If I were looking for a new one, I’d be looking hard at the legion or the stainless elite (if you are good with the weight ) As it is I am thinking about the SRT kit and some new grips... I think a lot of the old ones didn’t have a rail if that matters to you. I like the option of putting on a light. -Jim

They must be reading this thread, I just got a shipping notification LOL...