JimB1

Actually #4 is probably the easiest to bring to court. What they actually did was make what was administrative rules, codified law. Previously the law was written to require justifiable need but the definition was left open which is how Christie was able to loosen it slightly, he had his DA change the definition slightly. In the courts, they could just say, “these people are suing over administrative issues, the law is fine” Now they put the cards on the table and worded the definition of what they think “justifiable need” is which is even more restrictive then the DC law that the SC struck down. The theory is that future governors can’t do what Christie did now. I think they just made an unconstitutional law in direct contention with the SC so that makes it very lawsuit ready.... -Jim

Man, you are good at finding these things

Thanks! It’s weird that the article I found shows a judgement in Feb but that judgement isn’t shown here. Maybe it’s a different suit? Good to hear they are still fighting it... -Jim

Nope, that is from 2017, the article I linked is from the actual court case in Feb 2018 and the injunction was killed by the Judge and the case dismissed. I haven’t seen anything about an appeal or any other injunction applied after the Feb case was dismissed. -Jim

The injunction was in place from June 2017. This is the case the injunction was in place until in Feb 2018. From the article, “Shubb declined to issue a preliminary injunction in June, and on Wednesday granted the state’s motion to dismiss.” Far as I know, no further injunction has been placed and the law is in effect or will be this month. -Jim

Well, magazine limits haven’t been tossed in any other state that has them. Closest that has happened is the NY 7 in a 10 round mag got tossed as unenforceable but the 10 round limit stands. CA’s law was upheld as well (https://www.courthousenews.com/californias-ban-on-gun-magazines-survives-challenge/) and Massachusetts has had a 10 round limit for a long time and there has been no injunction or lawsuit that has gotten anywhere there so I’m not holding my breath on this one being overturned. I predict it is it will be slow walked in the NJ courts. I’ll be impressed if they get an injunction handed down. I’ll stay guardedly optimistic about the court option but I’m not going to delude myself into thinking it’s a sure thing even if it gets into the higher courts. JMHO -Jim

Well, knowing quite a few people from Turkey, I can tell you many are appalled by what is happening there. The Turkish people, by and large are friendly to Americans and until this current regime got into power a few years ago they were very much a partner with the US against extremism in the Middle East as a moderate Muslim majority country based on secular law. Many blame the US for allowing “Arab spring” and not speaking out when these exteremists took control in Turkey and Egypt. Egypt kicked them out but in Turkey they are dug in like ticks. I’m just saying, things change. Hopefully they change again there soon. Far as the 2022 goes, I have thought about those for a while. Well proven gun with police forces all around the world for a reasonable price using a similar design to the p226/220. Hard to go too far wrong with it. -Jim

I saw Solo, meh. It’s kind of boring and about 20 minutes from the end felt perfectly fine that I wasn’t going to miss anything important if I went to use the bathroom. C/C+ maybe. It’s the first SW movie I have seen in the theater since The Phantom Menace. If this is the way SW is now, I’ll pass on spending money on future installments. I haven’t seen Last Jedi, probably won’t. I saw Force Awakens on TV and it was ok, maybe a B-/C+ but only because it was pretty much a watered down New Hope with different actors though I hate the Rey character. She’s a boring 2D person with no growth in the whole movie. She just acts like she’s been Wonder Woman her whole life and just does things never before seen and is like “ok I’ll do this now” not even surprised she can throw things around with the Force and can beat a trained swordsman with a lightsaber even though she’s never touched one in her life. Neither of those movies was particularly fun to watch, just moderately interesting. Should have gone to see Upgrade instead, that looks like a fun movie. JMHO -Jim

I didn’t see it called out but did they jam though the “one evil feature” and ”no thumb hole stocks” changes too? Or is that still up and coming when they decide they need to “do something” again? -Jim

Here you go. https://www.gun-tests.com/issues/25_8/features/Best-Personal-Defense-Handguns-6070-1.html#.WxQVHIopChA The hottest 9mm +p round is around the lighter 357 rounds. Fact is though, regardless of any power factors of the ammo, if you are more accurate using the 9mm, less powerful shots on target are better then more powerful shots that miss. If you are accurate with 357, with the right ammo, you are going to do more damage with the shots that hit then you will with 9mm. Shot placement is everything though regardless of which you decide. They are both proven defensive rounds. I suspect once you go try a few different options, you’ll decide on revolver or pistol and everything will fall into place after that. -Jim

Like everyone else said, you have 2 questions here. What caliber? And Revolver vs Semi? 357 is more powerful then 9 or even 9+p. They make 9+p+ but many weapons manufacturers don’t recommend them because there is no standard for them so most err on the side of caution. Revolver is easier to use and for casual shooters to understand. The manual of arms is point downrange and pull trigger. If it doesn’t go bang, do it again. Revolver capacity is generally 5 to 8 rounds. 357 revolvers can also shoot 38 special and 38 special +p. 38 special +p is pretty close in ballistics to 9mm or 9mm +p loads depending on what brand and bullet used. semi auto you can get higher capacity mags everywhere except NJ where currently we are limited to 15 but there is a bill up for consideration currently to lower that to 10 which negates some of that benefit. The argument of faster reloads for semi is true up until you run out of loaded magazines then you are taking time reloading magazines or pulling the slide back and single loading assuming you have loose ammo available at the time.. If you get to that point, you are in a bad scenario and should be looking for the exit Once you get to having to reload magazines, revolver can be brought back into service a little faster to me if you practice reloading without moon clips. Again, if you’ve shot 6 or 8 rounds and a moon clip of another 6 or 8 and there’s still a threat, you should have been planning the exit before loading the last moon clip. Keeping in mind that the FBI says most engagements are only 1 to 4 shots, either works fine for most defensive scenarios assuming you keep up the practice with it. As a fun, go to the range gun, 9mm is cheaper to shoot. Revolvers are more expensive but are nicer to look at to me. 9 mm is pretty recoil free compared to 357. I use both... -Jim

And for those of us with no aptitude, even more practice... -Jim

Nice morning out guys. Always a good time. Great seeing everyone. -Jim

I am here now, it is really bright and sunny and getting hot. Anyone bringing sunblock ? I have donuts if anyone needs another reason to stop by -Jim

I will be bringing my new Beretta 690 Black if anyone wants to try it out... http://www.beretta.com/en-us/690-sporting-black/ Had to wait over 2 months for it to come in but I picked it up a couple of weeks ago so this will be it’s first time out... mine doesn’t have the adjustable comb but the wood is actually nicer then the one in their video or pics -Jim

Kinda quiet on the thread, where is everyone

I’m in, but might have to leave around noon. -Jim

I like them. I’d have to see one in person though. A lot of newer blued guns don’t look nearly as nice as their older counterparts to me. The older bluing processes worked better but were more hazardous to the workers. I like the newer model 66 too in stainless. As a civilian I don’t think I’d feel undergunned with 6 rounds of 357 or even some of the hotter 38 special +p. Reality is that this in NJ so carry is not going to happen here for a long time, if ever, so if I decide to get one, it’d be a dresser gun. Revolvers are great at that task imho and if there’s something in my house in the middle of the night that 6 rounds of 357 can’t handle then there is something extremely wrong in the world... -Jim

Hmmm, I wonder if this has something to do with NJ drivers licenses not being compliant with the Homeland Security REAL ID requirements? http://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-news/real-id-act-airport-security probably not, since NJ got an extended exemption for now while they try and get their act together but you never know what the NJ NICS process is doing compared to the regular federal NICS... just a thought. -Jim

I thought it was pretty good and she almost made a connection that I never see in any article, the AR-15 type rifle is the number 1 rifle format sold in the US. They always have to throw in that AR-15 style rifles were used in mass shootings. To me that's a lot like saying the F-150 is the number 1 selling pickup in the US and then the F-150 is the number one stolen pickup in the US. Well, duh. If there's more of one type of anything out in the world then any other, the chances are that item is going to see more usage both good and bad. It's like when they say "people that go to shoot at the range regularly are more likely to get injured at the range then someone who doesn't go to the range" again duh... -Jim

Prior law in NY state was no limit. Only NYC had a 10 round limit... so they fought the “only load 7 rounds in a 10 round mag” that was found to be unenforceable but 10 round mag limit was upheld... They did not revert to previous limits. -Jim

I have to think there is some sort of slow walk happening, either that or sales for this quarter are going though the roof with the push for gun control everywhere...

Key phrase in the report. If 40% of guns used in crimes are found to be from other states and that is 75% of traceable guns used in crimes. What they are actually saying that they only know where 53.3% of guns used in crimes are from. 46.7 % are untraceable so they have no idea where they are from. So potentially more then half are from in NJ. (I think I did that math right ) That means they have no idea what percentage is actually from out of state. What other report can have a margin of error of 46.7% and still be taken seriously? That is called lies, damn lies and statistics. -Jim

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gun-rights-activists-rally-state-slideshow-wp-212646938/photo-p-people-participate-gun-rights-photo-212646775.html found at least one article... Sorry I couldn’t make it guys. I think the organizers of this rally should have engaged all the local NRA affiliates to get a larger turnout but I suspect if they did that, they’d still be arguing on what day to have it... -Jim

Well in 1776 when the minutemen were called there was a literal army on the march towards them to destroy them and their homes and businesses so that lends speed to your feet. In NJ and other areas in 2018 we have a slow moving lava flow of legislators and leftists who want to disarm us but not necessarily kill us in the literal sense. Less imperative to a lot of people and in my opinion much tougher to stop then an army. The left sees everything as an existential threat so they can mobilize quickly and a lot are youths who want to belong to something. I’ve found many gun owners are solitary but sociable and just want to be left alone and they are tought not to fire unless you are sure of your target so they wait and are slow to react. The left couldn’t care less about what target they hit, there are no innocents except who they say are innocents so they constantly attack. -Jim