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And, on that page, he also says: To expand on NJSA 2C: 39-6f: Nowhere in 2C: 39-6f (above) do I see an exemption for "HD/SD" use of JHPs. Just sayin'....

Like I said, good luck convincing a LEO that you don't need to have one.... even in or between "exempted places." Am I glad I no longer need one at all!

And yes, there were 142 replies and 142 separate opinions on the legality of using JHP for HD/SD. AFAIC, When living in NJ, I chose to err on the side of caution. I used Hornady "Critical Duty" for my HD/SD. I'm with those who believe that JHP is *not* authorized for HD/SD use in NJ. Again, as I said before, that doesn't mean they're "illegal" as there are exemptions in the law for using JHP. HD/SD, not being one of them.

NJSP - Transportation and use of Hollow Point ammunition... I see nowhere in here where it says you can use it for HD/SD.

Correct. A semi-auto is limited to 6+1 rounds and no pistol grip. A pump has no limit, IIRC. One other thing. Be sure your FFL times your P2P usage correctly. That 30 day clock is absolute, and any time sooner than that will result in a denial. I recommend Steve (remixer) for your FFL needs. If you can get to his shop. He'll do you right!

Hello and Welcome from someone who made the reverse voyage from NJ to FL, and am enjoying it immensely. Here are some of the basics you need to know. 1) FPID - Firearms Purchaser ID card - You need this in order to purchase and transport: Long Guns (including shot guns), the ammo for said long guns, and to purchase pistol ammo in NJ. You obtain it from your local Police Dept. (or branch of the NJ State police) that serves your municipality. Each municipality has it's own rules and requirements (although they really aren't supposed to - there is a state guideline to follow). 2) P2P - Permit to Purchase a Handgun and form of register - These are required in order to purchase each and every handgun in NJ. You are limited to purchasing one (1) handgun every 30 calendar days (OGAM - One Gun a Month). Each permit is valid for 90 days from the date of issue, and you can have the CLEO of your municipality extend it for an additional 90 days. You can apply for as many as many of these as you like, but, because of OGAM, it makes no sense to apply for more than six (6) at a time. 3) You can apply for one or both of the above docs with the following forms, per State guidelines a) STS-033 Application for FPID and/or P2P docs b) SP-066 - Consent to obtain Mental Health Records Check. In addition, you'll need to be fingerprinted for the first time you use the above forms. Go to this URL: Ident-To-GO... Subsequently, you'll need only do a 212a Criminal Background check via this URL 212a Check. But let the LEA advise you. The State guidelines call for at least two references not living with you to complete a form. This will be provided by the LEA They may also have other requirements (but they really shouldn't - If they do. search for threads on here re: Operation "Strikeforce"). 4) Weapons you Bring into NJ.- If you brought any weapons into NJ with you , you do not need to register them or have P2Ps for them... only for hand guns you "buy" in NJ. But you must make sure they are "NJ Legal" (compliant with NJ regs regarding permitted firearms). And there are a ton of them. Many of the weapons you might have bought in FL are *not* NJ legal. Be very careful. Magazines in NJ are limited to 15 rounds for all types, including AR Pmag types. 5) NJ Firearms Book. - If you're familiar with the John H. Gutmacher book on Florida Fireams Ownership, I recommend you buy this NJ Equivalent book - NJ Gun Law by Evan Nappen. It's a lot bigger and more expensive, but you'll get a feel for what NJ law entails. 6) JHP - Be VERY careful with JHP ammo. Although not, technically "illegal," it is heavily controlled and regulated. You can only use it in certain places and conditions. Treat each Hollow point round as if it were a hand gun in itself. You *cannot* use it for HD/SD. 7) Carrying - You CANNOT carry a handgun outside of your home or business without a NJ carry permit. And those are extremely hard to get. There are only roughly ~1200 active permits today, to my recollection. You have to be very well connected with the county judiciary to get one (as the county judge is the final stopping point for most apps, even if the CLEO were to approve it). Even retired LEOs have difficulty at times. Trust me, this ain't Florida! 8) Duty To Retreat - NJ Law does not have SYG. You do have a duty to retreat. If you ever have to shoot someone in HD/SD, prepare to be charged with something... NJ Prosecutors just don't care for people using guns for HD/SD. Just remember that, in general, NJ Makes firearms ownership and usage "illegal," unless said ownership/usage falls within the very limited and enumerated exemptions in State Law. Get to know that law. Study the Evan Nappen book. Hope this helps. It will be quite a learning curve coming from FL. PM me with any other questions or concerns. Regards, Arnold.

I would easily do 45 minutes to get to a range. I did it all the time to get from Hackettstown to Herritage Guild in Easton, PA.

Welcome from Tampa Bay, Florida (from a former NJ'ian).

So sorry for your loss.

If the 2A fairy existed and could grant you three 2A wishes, what would you wish for? The only restriction being that you cannot wish for money for purchases. You'll have to earn that yourself. My pics: 1) Either Open Carry in FL or a clarification in the law that removes the "discretion" given to LE as to what constitutes "improper display" of a concealed weapon; 2) National reciprocity (not that it would do me any good, as I won't ever be traveling to an "anti" state with any inventory, but for those would benefit from it). 3) A serious curtailment if not total repeal of the NFA, and sporter clause of 1968 GCA and 1986 FOPA. such that i can buy whatever conventional firearms I want to buy without federal intervention

Mine was that the mental health check comes from each county (i.e. "county adjuster" office). That is,the LEA has to send it to the county adjuster's office in the applicant's county of residence for a response. In fact, it even says so on the sp-066 form. Now, maybe if it's an NJSP barracks doing it, there is extra added bureaucracy in re: Trenton.

Well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion. I come at it from a different perspective. I think if/when NJ implements "shall issue" concealed carry, or you choose to move to a state that does it, you might feel differently, Even here in FL, there are forces that still don't want people to carry and are doing whatever they can to thwart it. Hence, the reason why we still don't have OC (although our local equivalent of NJ2AS just filed with SCOTUS for Cert in a FL open carry case - See here.). That, and some of the people who've been arrested for "accidental display" of their concealed weapon, when they should never have been. I would not put it past some of the LEAs here to try some of those "tin foil hat" approaches. YMMV.

Bearing Arms - Gun-Sniffing K9's: The Future of Gun Violence Prevention... I dunno... I get how/why the article says they want to use the dogs to search for guns, but I'm concerned with potential for abuses. Specifically, will these dogs be used to discourage law abiding citizens from carrying concealed, especially where they are licensed to do so? Will they have a bunch of these dogs in crowds just searching for people who are carrying concealed, in an effort to harass them (i.e., stop, detain and interrogate anyone carrying concealed, demand their CWFL, etc.)? I think Amtrak uses dogs like this already.

So very sorry to hear. And that s/he's no longer suffering....

One thing has always puzzled me, though, about Operation Strike Force. Assuming the "resistance" to the State Guidelines and procedures, docs, etc. is coming from the CLEO or someone above the CLEO, would enforcing via Op. Strike Force be all that effective? That is, would not said CLEO find other "alternate" means to gum up the works that have little to do with sticking to the State Guidelines? I mean, I can see where Strike Force would certainly help with eliminating requirements such as unnecessary forms, questions, interviews, etc., But they (LEAs) can still make things take time..... lots of time. IIRC, the "30 day clock" isn't supposed to begin until all required docs are "received" by the LEA. There are many, many ways for those docs to "be lost and not received..." Reference forms alone can cause a bunch of trouble. An "anti" CLEO can insist on checking references each and every time, and there's no way for a requester to verify whether or not the reference forms were received back by the dept. Likewise, it's difficult to verify whether or not the County Adjuster's office returned the mental health check. Is Strike Force addressing this part of the process?

I tried to Google a website for the Elizabeth PD but came up empty. No reference to it on the "City of Elizabeth" website, nor any references to the FPID/P2P procedure there. I guess they're really trying to discourage it.

I let the last one I ever had (which had already been extended) expire, only because I was in the process of moving to FL, and I figured I could wait until I got down there to buy my next gun. I figured I'd mount it (the P2P) as a souvenir, a reminder of what I had to go through...

Delaware General Assembly - House Bill 222 Status... Doesn't even look like it's been assigned to committees, yet...

I have one of my cameras (all are "wired") attached to the soffit under my roof. Should that particular camera (and/or any that our outdoors) be "grounded" especially? We had a Thunder Bumper down here on Sat., and I could swear that one lightning strike hit way too close to home. The thunder crack was immediate! And the circuit breaker on which the cameras reside, popped. I then discovered later that one AC Adaptor in a power strip on that circuit got cooked, and kept the circuit breaker popping. Nothng else seems to have been affected, though. I'm wondering it there's any additional grounding that might be needed for the cameras that are outdoors...

Not sure there is a codified "statute" for it. It's probably all just NJAC regs, as well as the FBI granting the option for POC states.

Well, no value to us, the consumers. But value to the State in that it helps them enforce things like OGAM.

But they do use the FBI, They just prefer to make the call to the FBI on behalf of the FFL. This, of course, to enforce State firearms laws (most likely, OGAM in NJ's case). Ah, the joys of being a "POC" (Point Of Contact) state. FL is also a POC state as well, via the FDLE. In FL (as opposed to NJ with the NJSP), patrol and investigative divisions at the state level are separate. The FHP does the patrol, and the FDLE does the detective/investigative work.

That's weird, because the store in Ocala (#2 on the list) has a huge "Going out of Business Sale" sign on it. I wonder if that's just to have a sale for the sake of seizing the opportunity to have a sale....

Wow, looks like the Shutdown is in effect. Fox News is running a "stock ticker" line on it. What happened? Were they not able to pass a budget or any CR's???