HBecwithFn7

You're more than welcome. Liked the "Punkin Chunkin" pictures.....

I thought so as well. Then someone on another forum but, apparently, with knowledge of the system, explained that each entry does have P.I.I. attached to the name (Address, phone, social security, plus a host of other things)... Where people run into problems is with the airlines... The system they use that verifies Identity only submits the name and nothing else. Therefore, any identical names will come back positive. After all, the airlines don't take your social security number or birth date when you buy a ticket, right? Not that I'm in favor of this (using the terror watch list for NICS) at all. I'm not, since there is no way for people to know they're on it until they get dinged by it, nor is there anyway of getting off of it without a long drawn out court battle, if even that would help.

I felt that way about my NJ neighbors, especially those that lived right on my street. I'd make sure I packed things in "generic" containers, so they wouldn't see what I was loading/unloading in my car. For the long gun case, I just had to hope I wasn't seen. One of my neighbors was a diehard libtard that would have reported me to the authorities. Nevermind that I knew the chief and he approved my FID and all my P2Ps, but.... Ah, one of the freedoms of life here in Florida. I don't have to worry so much about my neighbors, since most of them are pro-2A themselves! I was in a health education class at the local "wellness center" last night. My 3rd of 4 class sessions. I sat in front of a guy and we got to talking. He happened to mention something and that's all it took. We spent the next 10-15min. talking about guns... He even gave me recommendations for a decent private FFL in town! I suspect we'll be talking a little more about them at the last upcoming session.

My understanding is, she's "untouchable." Something on the order of 80+ % favorable in her district. You would have to dig up some real dirt on her that forces her out...

So has Sheriff Chris Blair of Marion County (Ocala).

CT Gov. to sign EO prohibiting gun permits to those on the terror watch/No Fly Lists... Cue the Lawyers! Will be very interesting to see how this plays out. Especially since, I believe, those lists are "names only" and not "individual identities" (i.e. name + soc. sec. + address + phone, etc.)...

As expected. The more "urban" an area, the more the LEAs perceive greater danger from their constituency if there is increased firearms ownership... and the harder their job becomes.

I took this course - Multi State Concealed Carry Class - Shooters on Target held at the Quinton Sportsmen's club in Salem. They cover UT, FL, AZ, and VA, all in one class. It includes lecture, application completion, finger printing, Notary service and, in the case of Florida, the "live fire" portion (BYOG and ammo). They take the photos required, etc. etc. They do everything except mail in the applications. You do that, with the appropriate app. fees attached. The price of the course varies based on the number of states to which you want to apply. Some states are more expensive than others. You don't have to take the course for all four. The lecture is based on UT standards but does apply to all the other states. If you want FL, you also have to do the live fire portion. Watch the site for the next offering. They do this class at least once a quarter.

They may not have been on "7 second delay." They may have been "live."

Agreed, We need every friend we can get!!!

Yes. And, on the same day, and just like the good Lt.Col., actress and conservative TV pundit Stacy Dash was suspended from Fox for two weeks for almost dropping the "S" bomb when speaking about Pres. Obama.

First, we need to fight the negative "anti" image of guns and guns owners coming from the politicos and (more importantly) the liberal MSM. The best ways to do that, I believe, are to put forth the very best image we can of ourselves.... one that doesn't give those poli's and MSM people the chance to attack it. We need to look and act just like those folks we're trying to attract... just with a pro-2A mindset. We need to police ourselves, a little and ensure that we don't make the kinds of mistakes with our firearms that would send the MSM into a frenzy. We also need to explain to the public that those who do stupid and dangerous things do not represent us, at all. The second thing we can do is be an alternate source of information and experiences for those growing up. A lot of "anti" stuff is drummed into kids thanks to "Common Core" and other initiatives at schools. We need to offer alternative view points and become "ambassadors" to or own neighborhoods, taking people to the ranges, answering questions as they come up, etc. etc. Ideally, we could have our own marketing force for our cause just like the anti's do with the liberal MSM. Failing that, we need to use every channel available to us (Social media, Internet, Fox, etc. etc.) to get our message out there and counter the anti's assault against us. When something like a Carol Bowne incident happens, we need to react and get the message out about how that could have been prevented if the person were able to defend them self... just as quickly as the MSM gets out a report about a bad incident does.... In short, we need to "fight fire with fire." We need to show the public that we are *not* the ogre's the MSM claim we are. We need to be that positive image... for them, and for ourselves.

Not necessary to be NJ residents. Not by State regs, at least. Maybe some CLEOs might indicate otherwise. One of mine was my Florida instructor!

Do you still want to purchase ammo and transport long guns in NJ? If so, then you'd want to file a change of address on your existing FID. Same documents required but, technically, you don't need to file for a "new" FID and (perhaps) get finger printed again, etc. etc. But yes, you would file with the NJSP, since you are no longer a resident of the state and of the municipality in which you were living. I think you send it directly to the State Firearms unit in Trenton. Don't know the precise address, but others on here might. Where in NY, if I may ask? Hopefully nowhere near NYC and vicinity.... or you might have even bigger problems than NJ!

I think a lot of these database records were designed back in the "olden days" when disk storage was really expensive. They had to scrimp and save everywhere they could. Thus, short first name, only a middle initial and maybe a longer surname. Now, disk space is real cheap, but the problem is the cost of converting not only the database, but all the on-line screens, and the printed hard copy forms that also limit the space as well. Still, they may need to, anyway. As stated earlier, the state ID/DL is now the #1 form of and proof of Identity in the USA, surpassing even the US Passport. It's what everyone wants to see as proof of identity. It does things the US Passport doesn't. If provides a street address, and it's updated more often (usually every 4-5 years, as opposed to 10), and it requires more vetting (6-points, etc.). It wasn't as critical for the name to be correct back when these forms and databases were designed. But it is, today! Thus, the DMV database had better store one's "full legal name" precisely as it is, rather than as what their bureaucracy will permit. I can see the lawsuits flying against any State DMV that refuses to let the person be known by full legal name.and the person is denied some other govt. service or has legal issues as a result (i.e. denied CCW, or fails NICS, etc, criminal background check issues, court issues, etc. etc.).

I believe it's the same database record, and you can only have one or the other, but not both. If you have a DL, you don't need a State ID, which is only for people who can't/don't drive.

Oh, OK. I was simply answering your question of how someone could get an FPID without a DL. I did not want to take the chance about not "matching exactly," so I made the sts-033 match the DL exactly (eg. 2 initials and surname). Which seemed to work. I would guess that as long as one makes the sts-033 match the identity doc you submit, it will work out. Maybe there is some latitude in the system these days... not sure. When I applied for my CCWs from AZ, FL, UT, I was able to use first initial & full middle and last names, even though the NJ DL (at the time) still just had the two initials and last name.

A similar issue. It all has to do with the DMV database and how much storage is allotted the fields for first name, last name, etc. See one of the very first threads I ever started on NJGF - Bureaucracy Battles - The problem today is that because DL is *the* hot ID today, even surpassing US Passport, they (DMV) have to get it right. But the NJ DMV refuses to change the database. Too costly... They want you to change to conform to their stringent data requirement. Could the person get a "State ID" instead? They are issued by the DMV for those who don't drive but want the ID. If they aren't old enough yet to get a DL, then are they old enough to get a FPID?

FIFY. And I sure hope he isn't changing his mind.....

Dana Loesch, perhaps?

And there are many others in the Northwestern counties (Warren, Sussex, Hunterdon, etc.). It's really only those municipalities that either *are* (or are close to) major cities (Orange being such a city and very close to Newark).

Mine were done well before 30 days in Independence Twp. (Warren County). Initial FPID and 2 P2Ps were done in 23 calendar days. Subsequent sets of P2Ps were done in 16 days each.

Because the existing laws don't really facilitate the government's current agenda.... the complete disarming of all law abiding citizens.... CONFISCATE... CONFISCATE.... CONFISCATE!!! Constant Vigilance folks!

The "X" factor though to keep in mind is that not all gun owners are "computer/internet" savvy or desirous of spending all their time in cyberspace. Some just go with their LGS and don't even know about Gunbroker, Ammoseek, etc. etc.

The P226 was my first acquisition. Most comfortable with it.