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So it is for me. I used to "practice CCW" in my home in NJ as well. Now, I can go out an about with it in FL.

I believe a SCOTUS justice can be "impeached and tried," albeit a very Herculean effort and would probably require very serious charges....

No, it is not. But as I mentioned this morning "over there," I might get a cheap one on eBay to have it for install or tech support purposes. We'll see. Yes, I did. PM forthcoming in regards to that. After saying "25/25 to start" on NJGF, I re-familiarized myself with their pricing. The per month price for 150/150 is just about what I was paying Comcast for Internet and Cable TV. 75/75 is just about what I was paying Comcast for the Internet portion only. So, I might do what was suggested on DSLReports... that is, Install at 150/150 to ensure a GPON ONT install, and then downgrade to 75/75 a bit later. I'm not "most people." Seriously, I have "professional" interests in setting things up that way... I want a lab environment where I can monitor and study failover, redundancy and load balancing in routers. Which is why I'm now leaning away from that original plan. I knew that risk was always there, but not having an alternate cable TV company in the area that could deliver similar bandwidth, I was willing to take that risk to get two WAN's onto the property with similar capacity. It would have been OK for "load balancing." I think a better approach now is to get the one FiOS line, and then a secondary "satellite" service like Hughes.Net or DirectTV. Once I downgrade 150/150 to 75/75, I think I can use that savings for the secondary satellite service. I'll probably go with DirectTV to get the TV and DVR, etc. It may not be as good for load balancing, but very good for failover, for the reasons you state. And failover would seem to be the greater priority for my home usage. We'll see. That is a concern... what they (Frontier) will do to the service tiers and pricing. And I hear their cust. svc. is also lacking. We'll have to see... A lot of people on DSLReports seem to think that locking into a 2 year contract now will save them.... I dunno about that...

Let's just say, I don't ever want to be in the position where they could do it. I want ultimate control over my own router. I ran my Roku3 on CAT6 when I had Comcast. I'm building a house in FL, and all rooms will be wired with CAT6 as well as some with COAX (for the OTA Digital antenna). I'll also have a Telecom closet where I'll host a 24 port GiGE switch, the router and the cables to/from the ONT, among other things (a NAS bank, etc.). It's more for "hobby/laboratory" purposes, actually. I want to set up and run "failover" and "load balancing" scenarios with the Dual WAN Router, so that in my business, I can implement similar solutions for my clients. And, also have it for myself. I don't think I'll ever use anything near 20TB of bandwidth, unless I was operating a private web hosting platform (which I won't be doing). Heck, I didn't even get near the Comcast data cap of 250GB. But I think that would increase more, once I start streaming mostly and not watching Cable TV. I'll have to negotiate with them, but we'll see what they say. I get what you're saying... they'd want me to have a "business" account and pay business prices for that kind of service, but I hope I can convince them otherwise. We'll see.

Wifi doesn't concern me at all. I prefer to be "wired" in my house at all points. Moreover, I don't want their Wifi Router so that my "available bandwidth" isn't "shared" with others, as is the plan of some ISPs (like Comcast). If I'm paying for my bandwidth I want it all to myself, and I don't want to be responsible for what anyone else does with it. Don't need or want either. So no issue for me. I can get the TV Guide on the Internet. TV Guide Listings. And my VoIP service feeds my own caller ID devices. Precisely. I don't need their tech support, either. When I had DSL (and Comcast cable) I did exactly that (hook up my laptop directly to the demarc). I guess it depends on how much money they want to make... If they want to be greedy buggers, they won't let me do any of this. If they're content to have some of my business, they'll offer what I seek. I'll actually help them. I'll get two separate WANs (two separate ONTs) installed, so I can test the "failover and load balancing" capabilities of my router. I'd get 25/25 to start, so hopefully, it will equate to one 50/50 connection. When I had Comcast Cable, I purchased my own Motorola DOCSIS 3.0 cable modem. That part of it ran great, although I'd have to do the "power off/on" cycle occasionally when the signal got F****d Up. Comcast let me do that. I'm not sure they'd let me do it now, as they'd want the revenue from either the purchase or rental, and they'd want their equipment so they can "share the Wifi bandwidth" with others... Not on my watch...

I'll need an ONT for any FiOS service... Internet, TV or Phone. It's the terminal box that converts the optical signal to digital and the demarc point from FiOS to the house. If all I want is Internet, I can get away with an ONT configured with "Ethernet" only connectors. If I want TV, I also need a COAX configured ONT and have to use their router. I just want Internet Only, so I'll ask for an "Ethernet only" configured ONT. I see the routers on Amazon, but I don't see ONT's on sale there (and I wouldn't expect them to be)... I do see batteries on sale though.

I'd rather use my own router (a "dual WAN" Netgear model), and control it myself. And, I'd rather not pay for theirs, either. I don't need a WiFi extender, as I don't use Wifi in my house. Every room is wired.

Perhaps, a "tourism/economics" case could be made for it... Unlikely, but that is a possibility.

Can you not supply your own router? If, say, you don't want the TV service (for which you'd have to use their router) and you get the ONT's configured for "Ethernet Only," could you not use your own router?

By that logic, they should have been in my former town ions ago. They installed all around it, but not here, where I know they could make tons of money. Comcast beat them to the install of Fiber, albeit not FTTP. I guess that's what it means by not being "profitable." However 4G LTE got put into that neighborhood in a heartbeat. I think the push is less on FiOS and more on rolling out 4G LTE.

Streaming TV works very differently from OTA Broadcast or Cable. Basically, you pick shows from available libraries and watch them "on demand," similar to putting an optical disc in and playing it when you feel like it. But the content has to be available in the library. It's not like it's broadcast like cable TV or OTA broadcasts. There are some things that can be streamed live like broadcast TV, but very few in comparison. As someone said, DirectTV might be an option. That's "satelite" delivery of broadcast TV. But make sure you need it (i.e. that you want to watch all the available channels), or it will end up costing you similar money. And, it fails in bad weather (rain, thunderstorms, etc.). If you watch a lot of shows, you might want to consider the FiOS TV package that comes with it. I wouldn't get it. I can live on Streaming TV and OTA broadcasts.

Do you have it? That is, is it available in your neighborhood? Usually, Verizon won't implement FiOS where it has competition with other providers like Comcast. They like to cherry pick. And, from what I've read, they're not doing any more new installs. They're refocusing on 4G LTE WiFi, where they can make more $$$. That said, if you do have it available, I'd get it but only for the Internet... not for TV or Phone. You can use VoIP for phone (and cheaper), and streaming services for TV (as well as OTA Broadcasts). Unless it's something you really want to watch that they offer. I'll *FINALLY* be able to have it where I expect to be building my house in FL. I'll get two WANs to separate ONTs for a Dual WAN router. I feel your pain about COMCRAP. I got rid of them the first chance I got. And to avoid their "retention dept." I went straight to their customer service center and turned in all the equipment, and told them to terminate the account. THey did it... no hassle. Just don't try to call their national call center.

Yes, there are thousands of laws, and no, I don't know them all. It comes down to a matter of risk. That is, what are the risks/probability that I am violating those laws about which I don't know, and the severity of penalties involved, if caught? My "intuition" tells me (and told me long before I became a NJ Gun owner) that any activity involving firearms is on the higher end of that risk spectrum... so it's probably a good idea to know the laws involved there, and wherever I may be with my guns. And that's why we... in the know... have to spread the word to those who might not know or understand. It's why it should be a part of every training class (basic pistol, CCW, whatever). A homework exercise doing research on USACarry.com and/or handgunlaw.us, (i.e. find the "most restrictive" jurisdiction)... combined with a lecture point on the most restrictive states in the US and what to expect when staying (temporarily) or transiting through them. These should be a part of every class offered across the US. And, no, I do not advocate making training "mandatory..." certainly not by any govt. entity. Training should be totally voluntary... but you accept the risk of not taking any.

Mostly a cave diving forum similar to this one.

Not surprising... The ACLU is staunchly "anti." as is most of their funding base...

This is just local to West Deptford?

I think that's because DC, NYC, CA, etc. are the places that get the most MSM attention, and thus, the most attention by all the other players (NRA, etc.). MD is also overlooked in the same regard. Perhaps Gov. Christie's candidacy will help NJ get a little more attention. Nonetheless, it's up to us who know/live/lived the situation to tell the others to be aware. I tell people on my Florida forum about NJ gun laws all the time (and the people who fall victim to them). Thankfully, several folks on that forum are NJ refugees and help that along. Their reactions are mostly, "I won't ever set foot in NJ."

And, in his home state, it probably is. But it wasn't the same in the state where he planned to travel. And, once again, his choices were, learn the laws of the state of his destination (and the transport laws of States in between), leave his guns at home, or risk the penalties of being caught with them outside his state. That's your choice, but you risk the penalties if you get caught. Besides, my intuition tells me that "Fix a flat" probably doesn't have the same weight/focus in the law as firearms. If it did, I'd imagine there would be a "fixaflatlaw.us" website somewhere, where I could, at least, research the law before I travel there.

I also worked in NYC at my last corporate job until my firm bought facilities in NJ after 9/11. What a pleasure it was to go from a 1.5hr one way commute to 40 minutes one way, and not have to pay NY taxes anymore and file two returns. I wouldn't do it again, either.

It's not my definition of "depends." It's the legislator's definition. Again, I agree that the laws suck. That's one of the reasons why I left NJ. Those PITA legislators built all that obfuscation and all those "depends" into the law. Thus, ownership/usage/possession/transport of firearms (and/or certain ammunition) is "illegal" unless it falls under the enumerated exemptions. So it "depends" on who is doing the possession/ownership/usage/transport, and under what circumstances. They may not discover all the nuances of the law, but at least they can get enough information to make a decision on whether or not to bring weapons into NJ, and/or how to transport them if "passing through" NJ, or whether or not their CCW permit is valid (which it won't be). If they choose not to bring or transport weapons, then they avoid having to worry about all the nuances, and the penalites... But they have to make the effort. Again, most folks that run afoul of NJ gun laws do so because they can't believe things they do in their own state are "illegal" here (i.e. if not done per the "exemptions"). They need to pay attention and learn the laws, or just never set foot in the state with their guns.

Don't need to.... I "wrote" them... and I stand by them. Yes, they should have. And they could have, if they had studied it before they took those actions that got them arrested. Like "ignorance," "hatred of a law or a belief that it's 'unconstitutional' or wrong, or gibberish" is no excuse. It's still the law until changed. Your choices are 1) Obey it, or 2) risk the penalty. I'm not saying one shouldn't work to change laws they don't like or they feel violate their constitutional rights (and, yes, I absolutely agree that NJ gun laws suck big time), but while they are still in effect as laws, either obey them, or risk the penalty. And, of course, know what they are, and what the penalties are, up front. How so? I think the legislators, most being lawyers themselves, know the law very well, and they know the system. They also know how to manipulate both to achieve their own objectives. And they think their constituents aren't smart enough (or brave enough) to stop them from doing what they want. We'll see what Sen. Sweeney has to say in a few weeks... Look, I get your frustration about the crappiness of NJ's laws. I think they're crappy too. I think they do violate our 2A rights. It's why I left the state (in part), because I don't think that will change for our benefit in the remainder of my lifetime. It's why none of my guns will ever see NJ soil, ever again! Nonetheless, they are still the laws that are in effect right now, until they are changed. Yes, fight like Hell to get them changed or get those legislators out of office. But while the laws are still in effect, for residents and non-residents alike, the choices are, learn them, obey them, or risk the penalty.

In which case, I believe Evan Nappen might not qualify.... as I believe, these days, his primary domicile is in New England (Vermont or New Hampshire)...

And my point is, "it should..." In my younger days, I traveled all over the world. I've been to 6 of 7 continents. But I knew enough to know that people do things differently, and that I should know very basic things about the laws of the country I'm visiting before I go there. The example I mentioned says it all.... "When you're busted for drugs over there, you're in for the hassle of your life..." Responsible gun ownership mandates the study of weapons laws anywhere one expects to travel or stay for any length of time. At least enough study to determine whether or not to bring them, or transport them, or use them. It's that simple.

You don't have to know all the details of NJ Gun law to know whether or not one should or shouldn't bring any weapons into NJ (or another "non free" state) in the first place. Or whether or not NJ (or other state) honors other "out of state" carry permits (NJ doesn't). Or how one should transport weapons if "transiting through" NJ. Or what actions are or aren't protected by FOPA. Or whether or not you are required to declare (voluntarily) your weapon to a NJ LEO. All of these questions and answers are available on the resources I mentioned originally (handgunlaw.us and USACarry.com). As a matter of fact, the NJ entry in Handgunlaw.us also answers 2 of the three questions you posed, above, or points you towards the NJ Statutes in question. Point being, the essential things you need to know (to keep you out of jail) are fairly easy to learn from the resources I specified, if one puts forth the effort to study them. Hopefully, the out of state visitor decides not to bring them (if staying long enough not to be protected by FOPA) and, in that case, one need not worry about all the other "details."

I did. I'm temporarily back in NJ to oversee the sale of my townhouse. But that's not the point. I still care about what happens in NJ, because as Anthony (GunForHire) always says, "What happens in NJ doesn't stay in NJ!" That, and I also still have family here, including my niece and nephew, whom I'm mentoring for 2A. I don't want them to be burdened. I also don't want to see any of my new fellow Floridians suffer a similar fate... especially when there are easily available resources to learn about a states laws and all it takes is just a little effort to research them. I don't want to see another Shaneen Allen happen here. There's no excuse for it. We may not like the laws, we may think they're unconstitutional and should be repealed. But while they're still on the books, we need to know them. and know how to avoid being trapped by them.