HBecwithFn7

Clays are sort of a "community" thing. Ideally, everyone brings a box and contributes it to the "community." Ammo, OTOH, is your own thing. We're also very good with sharing the guns themselves if you'd like to try a gun you've never shot before. Just ask the owner.

Out, I'm traveling. Will catch you in Nov.

Understood, and I agree that the govt. is not the answer here, either. If it is to exist at all, it should come from the industry. Fair enough. As long as you are willing to accept the consequences of not having sufficient training. If, hypothetically, your lack of training or discipline results in someone being injured or killed, then you deserve to pay the maximum penalty for that offense, especially if training would have made you at least more aware, if not more careful. They do, but they can only do so much. And they can't do anything in private homes or other private places where the untrained, uncaring firearm owner might be with their firearms. And, even in the public range to which I go, they make you watch a safety video the first time. But it's a joke. Trust me, I get what you're saying about govt. intervention. To me, that is *not* the answer. They'll Fkuc it up even worse. All I'm saying is, either get the training (however you wish to get it, voluntarily or otherwise), or be prepared to accept the consequences of not having it. Hopefully, me or mine won't ever be the victim of someone's lack of training.

As long as it's after 10/30, I could be in....

If this was meant for me, then you proceed from a false assumption. I don't drink anyone else's Koolaid but my own. Neither theirs, nor yours. I make/drink my own. But I learn the ingredients 1st, and I make sure that it won't kill me before I drink it. Care to back that up with some statistics? How many times have you been swept on a public range? How many times have people's fire pelted you with ejected brass when standing next to them at a port without a clue on their part? How many "Idiots with Guns" YouTube Videos have you watched? Well, if you want to bet your life (or that of your loved ones on that, that's your thing. I do not. The particular firearm doesn't matter. The training to which I refer involves all firearms (handgus, long guns, shot guns, etc.). It's also a means to assess the student's general attitude towards handling firearms of any sort. Things like having the discipline not to sweep people at will, keeping the muzzle pointed in a safe direction, not loading until ready to shoot, knowing the laws of the state you live in (or will likely travel in), etc. etc. If you want to get into a specific class of firearms, that might be an "advanced" class. Did you not read what I said? I NEVER said "State Sanctioned." It could be as simple as a "range policy" of requiring an orientation training session or work with an RSO before being allowed to shoot at that range (rental or purchased)... or the gun shop requiring training (industry mandated not Govt.) before selling the weapon. Now, who's "drinking the Koolaid?" You have to know how to educate yourself. You have to know where to find the "educational materials," and vet them. You have trust that it makes intuitive sense (and that your intuition isn't failing you). Also, while you're doing all that self training, you have to make sure you don't kill yourself or someone else in the process while learning how things work. It's not just going to come out of thin air. To use an analogy of yours, how often do people learn to drive a car on their own and learn it as flawlessly as you seem to be projecting with firearms learning? Or, in my case, how do you learn to SCUBA dive in a "dry suit" as opposed to a wet suit? If you don't know what you're doing, you could be dead quickly. Now let me ask you... how many times have you had to go to a family and comfort them, telling them that their loved one died while diving in a cave without the proper training or equipment, and dealt with their reaction? How many dead bodies have you had to recover (or watch being recovered)? Apples & Oranges... Dishonesty/Employee theft does not bear the same risk of death or serious bodily injury (unless you're stealing rare life saving drugs from a hospital, or safety equipment from a construction site, or something like that). Firearms by their nature are a lot more dangerous if mishandled by an untrained, uncaring individual. It isn't totally about knowledge. It's also about "attitude." Again, who said anything about "govt. control?" As stated previously, all of this can be handled by the industry itself (as we have done for SCUBA, Cave diving). I have absolutely no problem with people being accountable for their own behavior, and I encourage that wherever possible. But "true" accountability, please. That includes accepting all the consequences of all your actions, should something go wrong. If an untrained, undisciplined, careless shooter ever kills or injures me or mine.....

I would, if I were home, but I am currently "in transit" and on my way to Florida, where I will need this particular gun for a 4-day class. I'll see what I can dig up locally when I arrive. That is, if a good cleaning doesn't resolve the issue.

I also have one with thumb safety. What would be the objective of getting one without the thumb safety? Does the "without" version have a stronger trigger pull (i.e. DA style) to compensate?

Shield for me...

Fair enough... as long as NICS (the federal part) lets people do that.

Thanks much. I guess it depends on how long one lives in each state, etc. As stated, it wouldn't apply to me as once I GTFO NJ, I won't need to purchase NJ guns and/or ammo ever again.

Thanks much. So far, I've disassembled the slide short of actually exposing the firing pin. The gun is, generally dirty and needs a good cleaning, but I think I also need to get into the firing pin assembly and look there. I did find pictures of a "good" firing pin, so I know what to look for now. I've also found YouTube videos on how to disassemble the firing pin mechanism, but it seems I lack the proper tools for it (punch set, magnifier to view the pin up close, vice grip to hold things, etc.). I guess I'll get "geared up" for all this, eventually, but I have a bit of a time problem right now. I'll do the cleaning as best I can. But if that doesn't resolve the problem, I'll have to go get it smithed. Looks like MidwayUSA sells replacement firing pins ($15.95). Not sure if that's cheap or not, but at least it's not $159.00... I'll keep you posted. Thanks all.

You have to remember, CC was US Atty. for NJ. In essence, a LEO and based in Newark, of all places. I suspect that if he could vote his conscience (without consideration of political implications), he would most likely vote "anti" all the way.

Last resort, I'm afraid. I need it by month end for my MAG-40 class. If it truly is a 7 day turnaround, shipment to delivery, that might be OK. I'll call and ask... But I'd have to learn all about the shipment rules, etc. Not sure I have the time, etc. or if I need to use NJ FFLs, etc. (I'll be in Florida temporarily)...

OK, a good detail cleaning it is... and a pin check. Although I'm not sure what a "good vs. chipped" pin looks.like. Are there pics anywhere? Can I use Hoppes 9 solvent instead of Gunscrubber? I'd have to order some, otherwise... Thanks.

In re: "1)", I think the argument there is that NJ, by it's laws, is infringing on the federal constitutional right (2A). In re: "2)", if you switched the "range overseen by local PD" to "range overseen by a recognized 2A NGO," that might work. But good luck getting the govt. to let you sling a SMAW on your back...

It is a standard P226 (E26R-9-BSS), with no mods. Fired roughly ~ 1000 rounds so far, most of it being AE 115 or 147 flat heads, and a small bit of Hornady Critical Duty. I am the original owner for almost 1 year (in December). Cleaned twice with FrogLube, oiled with Hoppes 9 oil, and slides lightly greased with "Shooter's Choice" All weather High Tech Grease. I do note that I hadn't shot it almost a month or two, and this was the first time I had shot it "outdoors" in several months.

Care to justify that accusation? If the Revolutionary war fighters were so disorganized as to let "anything go" when attempting to battle against the British, then I'm amazed we aren't enjoying "tea and scones" at 4pm every day, and having no guns at all. The fighting minute men were smart, organized, and took every advantage of their environment. They also knew how arrogant the British forces were, and used that very arrogance against them. That's not something that's automatically acquired. it takes some training and experience. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree that mandatory training with firearms is a constitutional infringement. It might be if it's "govt." mandated and the intent of the govt. is to control or reduce the free exercise of that right. But I see nothing wrong with it being "industry/sport mandated." The objective for me being simply that people know what they're doing with firearms, and that I'm not at risk whenever I'm on a public range because somebody didn't bother to get training as a result of exercising their constitutional rights. Or one of my loved ones....

I was at an outdoor range, yesterday with my 2A mentor. I loaded up my P226 (it's been a while since I've shot it) with some AE 147gr flat heads. "Goin' Hot..," and then.... "Click...." nothing..... I wait to ensure it wasn't a hang fire, then cleared the weapon and ejected the round. Sure enough there was a light depression in the primer. I tried again, and "click...." nothing... My mentor loaned me some standard AE 115Gr round nose. I loaded up two of those. And, lo and behold, they fire without issue! Then I tried some of my Hornady "Critical Duty" rounds. First round.... BANG! No problem. 2nd round..... ."click......" Ruh-Roh..... As before, a light depression in the primer. One more time with Hornady and..... "click....." nothing! I try the flat heads in my Shield, and "BANG....BANG...BANG..." all fires, no issues. So, I'm thinking, maybe a "sticky firing pin" in the P226? Perhaps a more detailed cleaning is in order? Or is this something that may require a bit of smithing? FTR, my P226 is the only one of my inventory that I cleaned initially with "Froglube." My mentor has soured quite a bit on FrogLube, now. The other of my inventory has been cleaned with Hoppes 9 and Hoppes std. oil, along with gun grease for the rails. Anyway, all help truly appreciated, since I have to use this gun later this month for my MAG-40 class. If I'm going to need smithing, I need to know ASAP. I also need to find a good gunsmith that does P226's in the Gainesville FL area. Thanks much all.

I did not intend to imply anything with my quotes, other than to "quote" an earlier "quotation" from a previous post. I also believe that keeping and bearing arms is a constitutional right that should not be infringed. But is it truly "infringement" to require training? Is it the training to which you object, or the cost of the training, or the fact that the govt. is behind the mandate for training? Would you feel better if the 2A community were the motivation behind the training, rather than the govt. (i.e. "self-policing")? If so, than perhaps that's something toward which we can work. We've done it successfully in the "cave diving" community. We are still self-policing. And we do an excellent job of it. Point being, I can't believe the founding fathers just allowed anyone to do whatever they wanted with firearms... there was training... (i.e. show them how they work, how to clean them, how to be safe with them, how to organize attacks and defenses against the enemies with them and not shoot each other up in the process).... They were, after all, "well regulated" militias.

There are some that don't believe that CCW training should be a "requirement" either... because it's a "constitutional right." Refer to this Shaneen Allen thread...

Could you point me in the direction of an URL for that please? Not that it matters to me. Once I GTFO NJ, I will no longer have need for my FPID, as I would not in tend to buy any further weapons or ammo in NJ for any reason.... In fact, I dare say NJ will not see hyde nor hair of me (and my inventory) again.

Just curious.... would current FPID holders be "grandfathered?" Would anyone applying for new P2Ps (after having obtained initial FPID and P2Ps) also have to meet this requirement? I'd have a bunch of issues more with it, in that case....

Most likely, the place of your "primary domicile" (i.e. where you are registered to vote, from where you file your taxes as a "resident," the location printed on your DL, etc.)... Hopefully, all of which are the same. For tax purposes, I believe you must live in the "primary domicile" state for at least 183 days to be considered a "resident" that tax year. Yes, you can own property in both states and rent one out, but it's where you are living that counts. Keep those grocery and fuel receipts so you can prove you lived there (utility bills probably wouldn't be sufficient).

Interesting angle about "decimating the population." And, sadly, true. But I had also thought of the "health risk" angle. Who knows if the meat one is buying is "inspected, safe, etc." Perhaps that problem exists in either case (paid or given away free), but especially concerning if there is someone making a profit off of it.

But caution.... too much "overuse" initially can result in unintended "soreness" of the worst kind...