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Hope all is well. We'll see ya next time.

Ah, that David!

I usually deposit more clays than I withdraw. I bring a box of 90, but I only bring 50 shells to shoot. I know I didn't have any free floaters, today (i.e. clays on which I did not attempt to fire). Then again, we also probably recovered them on the clean up so that throws everything off. I'll bring 75 shells next time.

There are still spots open for the 07/24 exam date. Just watch the video, read the manual and do the work book exercises, found on this site. Then register for the exam on the same site.

It's all in the "symbolism." I believe the greater concern of PETA is that a huge Hollywood celebrity (and supposedly as "progressive" as they) is seen in front of an (apparently) dead animal of any sort, as if he *had* killed it. They absolutely can't have that, as it would encourage others to do the same with other animals! 180˚ opposite of their "Go Vegan" and their "I'd rather go naked than wear fur" campaigns. Although I personally don't hunt myself, I don't have any issues with those who do, and I would do so myself if necessary for food. It's no worse than going to buy meat at the supermarket, for Pete's sake! Although I suppose PETA wouldn't want me doing that, either.. I have no philosophical or moral difficulties with being an "omnivore..." just like all the other omnivorous species. The only difference between us homo sapiens and them is that we developed more advanced hunting tools, and we've learned how to "farm raise" to sustain certain species. I'd bet if the other species could do the same, they would.

Had a great time. Sorry we missed those who couldn't make it.... Drez... you OK? We missed you! Thanks to DeerSlayer for bringing the license and the thrower. I hope next time to have my license, at least, so no issues. And thanks to all for helping with the shooting. I think I will stick with shooting "righty." I seemed to do better towards the end. Wish I could have done as well before then! See you next time. Regards, HB

So is "guilt." And I think their efforts were more along those lines... as are very many "progressive" causes and tactics... After all, it's "for the children" (or the mistreated animals, etc. etc.)... I'm not saying we should not be generous/charitable or condone any abuse/mistreatment of any living thing. I'm just saying, we shouldn't be "guilt tripped" into anything nor permit ourselves to be ridiculed by the progressives for not giving in to the guilt trip. And we certainly should not compromise our constitutional rights over it, either! What puzzles me is the timing of their visit vs. the announcement of the Veto. Was this purely coincidence, or did they know (or suspect) the Gov's office was going to announce that day, or did they just show up anyway, forcing the Gov's office to announce that particular day? Very curious...

I'm sure that would help. So far, ogfarmer is bringing his electric thrower. With a good crowd, we could easily keep 3-4 stations busy.

Perhaps so but, at present, it's the "cost of doing business" in this State for law abiding citizens. Given the alternatives (i.e. 1) Wait for a successful legal challenge, 2) not possess/own any weapons at all, or 3) Move to another state), it's the one I had to choose. Although, if the march against our 2A rights continues here, that 3rd alternative is looking a lot better all the time.... .

The only problem being, his first "executive order" will be to confiscate all weapons....

I think it's one of those "can't please all the people all the time" kinda things. Some have to work on one day or the other or have other things going. I'm usually available either day. Unfortunately, my nephew won't be available this day, as he'll most likely be in church at the time. We've had it a few times recently on Saturdays.... I guess it's time for a Sunday meet. Hopefully, BLF can attend this one...

Done, although it does seem to be a bit of a closer margin than the other polls.

I don't believe either of my references had to get their letters notarized. I think they would have told me (and asked me to reimburse the fee). Neither did. I don't think it's in the State statute or Admin. code at all. I think that's each municipality setting up their own rules and attempting to get away with it until successfully challenged. As for a reference not supplying DL or SS#, that's something I'd most likely want to resolve with the reference prior to selecting them, knowing that if the reference refused to provide it, the application may very well be denied. And a denial is the last thing I want on my record. The applicant them self, I believe, is required to list DL on the STS-033, but SS# is voluntary (although it comes with the standard warning about the application being "delayed" if not supplied).

Update: The technical difficulties have been resolved! The classes for July are back on the website. The 07/24 class still has about 20 slots left.

Depends on the municipality (or the NJSP Barracks) in question..... Which one? It might be that (or even longer) for some....

Precisely! They're going on a fishing expedition!

You know the answer there.... The liberal MSM isn't going to facilitate our cause one iota. All incidents either get spun in an anti-gun way, or not ever mentioned.

Maybe, but who's going to enforce it? Who would write a speeding ticket to a NJ State Trooper??? I'd imagine a PD the size of a JCPD would be doing everything possible to circumvent such a court order (higher court challenges, injunctions, bureaucracy, etc.). If they're really intent on imposing all these extra requirements to retard the process, they aren't going to give them up that easily.

These requirements sound like the PD in question is on a "fishing expedition." I would never offer myself up as bait. Hopefully, the person using me as a reference will have cleared it with me first. I'd hate to have to embarrass them after putting in that kind of effort.

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I'd disagree Jon. You'd be very surprised. Some get wetsuits custom built. However, health would be the primary concern (i.e. the ability to climb out of the water, onto a boat with 80lbs of steel tanks on their back, or climb up the steps of a cave/cenote, etc. etc.), after the dive.

I used to dive a bit on the boats out of Brielle and Point Pleasant Beach (the Gypsy Blood and Independence II). I haven't dived either in 3+ years because I became "full cave" certified and now dive primarily in the Florida caves. But I only dived off shore wrecks.I never "shore dived" off the NJ coast so I don't know the difference between "shore vs. boat" rules. But I do know that F & W dept. rules are enforced on the boats (i.e. size restrictions, etc.). Hopefully, the "NJ Fish & Wildlife 2014 Rules" website can help you with those regs....

What do you think was the difference between you and him that they would walk him out and not you?

Well, those two are my calibers (9mm & .45acp) so whichever one they adopt will be the one for which the "shortages" will be blamed.... Hopefully, they'll find something totally different.

I suspect [D]ismissed as mproperly [G}ranted.... DIG