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Well, ya know what they say.... "The *new* South" begins below I-10. Where I am, it's pretty conservative as well, but you might see a few liberals here and there.

I'm in northern FL right now (for a couple of weeks). I hope so, but let's put it this way. In 2012, I saw a whole lot of Obama signs on lawns... And with all the attention the last two "Self-defense" cases got in the media (Zimmerman and Michael Dunn), one never knows....

Florida? I ask, because if I'm going to move out of NJ, I best go somewhere where it isn't going to happen anytime soon.... Not in my lifetime anyway...

As long as it just a "theft" issue and not a "gun control" issue. Hell, Costco always packages those tiny little things in huge "Anti-theft" packaging, or empty boxes (until you get to the check out counter).

Just out of curiosity, to quote the old Tom Lerher song, "Who's Next?" Which states (in order) do you think will be next to adopt NJ/NY/CT style gun control?

Does this also apply to shotgun shells? I understand if it applies to long gun ammo (I don't know if Dick's sells hand gun ammo).

Well, the voters in his district do... but it takes 25% of them to put a recall petition on the ballot. And he won't be eligible for recall until Jan 2015. A whole lot of damage can be done by then, assuming he could ever be put on a recall petition.

We seem to be gaining ground, as of 5pm this evening. Yes. 79.61% (3,116 votes) No. 19.83% (776 votes) I don't know. 0.56% (22 votes) Total Votes: 3,914 But remember, the antis will say that the result's are reflective of those who would, actually, participate in the survey (i.e. mostly the pro-2A people that read nj.com).

I've purchased shotgun shells at Dick's Rockaway (as recently as 2-3 months ago) and never was it put in a plastic box. I was able to take to the cashier and lay it on the counter myself. I may or may not get the little questionnaire on the cc machine, but that's all.

I have only purchased shotgun shells at Dick's (Rockaway NJ). I have done so 3 times. 2 out of 3 times, I got the little screen asking if I was "over 18?" No other questions. No display of either DL or FID. No escort to the cashier.

I concur. I worked on Wall St. for 12 years. Most of which were in the IT group that serviced the Municipal Bonds Division of my firm. There are SEC and other rules (Municipal Securities Rulemaking board - MSRB) that have very strict control over what political contributions a Wall St. employee or firm (especially registered FCs and MFPs (Municipal Finance Professionals)) can make to municipal and/or state politicians, etc., since the construction of Municipal Bond "deals" normally involve such a municipality attempting to sell debt and debt products. There can be no influence involved whatsoever. If a person designated as an MFP is caught making such a contribution to a municipal or state official, the firm can be fined millions of $$ and prohibited from doing business in that municipality for 2 years from the date of the infraction. That's a hefty amount of $$$. I assume there are similar restrictions for the Wall St. People on which CC might be depending. Even if there is no state law requiring him to resign, if he wants Wall St. financial support, he will have to resign.

Many thanks. I've been able to Google a few tidbits here and there (just "soundbite" quotes) but they seem to reflect the agenda of the content provider (either way). Nothing like the source docs themselves to get to the bottom of it.

I'd be interested in knowing if anyone here knows of any auxiliary writings of our "founding fathers" as to their thinking on 2A. Of course, we all know the end result (i.e. the 2A itself - "A well regulated militia, being necessary for the security of a free state, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"). But so many have interpreted these words to facilitate their own agenda, claiming, "It's what the Founding Fathers wanted." I was just wondering if anyone knew of he best auxiliary/additional writings published by our founding fathers as to their mindset, hopefully to explain/clarify what they actually meant in that compact statement. Any "helpful" suggestions, appreciated.

"Arrested," or "Convicted?" I see on the sts-033 (questions 19 & 20) where you must declare if you've been "convicted" of a disorderly person's offense (of up to six months) or a "crime/felony" (of more than six months) respectively (and not had them "expunged" or "sealed"). Nowhere do I see that you are required to declare if you've ever been "arrested." Again, as others have stated, have your lawyer review this thoroughly.

Well, apparently, the MSM is not done with this story - A new article with the same anti-gun BS. Article: NRA wants to take Smart Guns away Funny, I didn't think they had enough of a foothold in the US for *anyone* to "take them away..."

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Precisely. And I know one of my nosy neighbors who would do just that. It's why I don't tell my neighbors about this.

Well, either way, they'll have nothing with which to charge me, since I have none in NJ.

I'm hoping that the police have neither the time nor the $$$ to conduct such operations "pro-actively." They might do so, secondary to some other incident involving the weapon, or they might send a letter saying, "you need to get rid of them," but I can't see them going door-to-door solely for confiscating 15 round mags. In any event, any such mags I may or may not own ( ), will be enjoying a lovely vacation (permanently), here in sunny Florida, never to return to NJ again. The 10 rounders have stepped up to the plate, until such time as I am permanently re-united with my 15ers.

Are they not good? Or do you already have one (or more)?

Well, since there are now two bills, (A2006 & S993), assuming that S993 passes on the floor, then maybe they'd have to go to a conference committee. Either that, or one of the two houses would also have to pass the other's bill. Then it can go to the governor's desk. Either way, in the end, it will be up to CC to sign or veto. Hopefully, he still has national aspirations by that time. If he doesn't, we may truly be screwed.

One thing I keep forgetting, both Scalia and Alito are from the "3rd Circuit (and from NJ)." Perhaps someone called in a favor? Hopefully, one thing this will do is fire up our ranks and mobilize them to push for get the kind of politicians we need elected. It may not be enough (never enough in NJ), but if, hopefully, the ones that are see the trend coming...

Drove by it this morning. Can see it on Del. 1 going through Christina. Definitely looking forward to stopping by on my return to the area!

What makes you think that? If 5 rounds can be struck down, why not 10 or 15? To each, their own priorities, I guess. I realize that carry is extremely important to many if not most, here. I'm newer to ownership than most of you (although not new to guns or support for 2A). I've lived in a community for the last 22+ years for which I never personally felt the need for "ownership," much less carry (and yes, I considered it all along). That said, things are slowly evolving for me... much too slowly, perhaps. I became an owner because I didn't like what I saw as an encroaching agenda against gun ownership. Also, I own a business now where I make "house calls" exclusively (I don't own a "brick & mortar" storefront). I'd absolutely want to be able to carry "on the job," just for my own personal protection, but that's obviously never going to happen in NJ, even if we get basic carry (I seriously doubt they'd ever force any private property owner to let another person carry on their own property). Furthermore, I spend a lot of time in Florida, where I do have the right to carry and for which I've already applied as a non-resident (along with Utah and Arizona). So yes, I want to see carry come to NJ for all of us. It's just not the same priority for me as it is for most of you, because it's probably less of a benefit here for me. Having all the capacity I need to defend myself in a SHTF scenario is... as well as protecting my investment in my mags and the guns themselves.

I think I'd have a serious issue if "capacity limits" (mags or otherwise) were upheld, especially for pistols/revolvers. If, for example, the anit's are successful in gaining 10 round limits, we know they won't be satisfied with that. Next year, it will be a "5 round" limit. And that would affect a bunch of people, especially those with "six shooter" revolvers, etc. What would they do? Be forced to turn in their guns? And, of course, the serious handicap to HD/SD. At that point, I do think it becomes a 2A violation. To be honest, I think the "capacity limit" law is a lot more critical than many things... maybe even ccw.