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Yes, it's normal. They have to ensure that you haven't committed a crime since the last background check. I got my initial P2P (with Morpho Trak in lieu of the background check) in December, 2013. Earlier this month, 3-4mos later, I applied for 2 additional P2Ps. They did another background check for the $20.00 you mentioned.

Well, I have heard of .40 S & W being referred to as "Short & Wimpy" but.....

PHEW! For a moment, I thought you were referring to "flat head" ammo, like these 9mm 147s. I just scored 1K of 'em...

Hackettstown Guns & Ammo doesn't do smithing? They're just sales? They're also a vendor here...

Just guns, right? Not ammo and accessories???

I don't believe it's there to be of benefit to anyone/anything. It's not a matter of benefit. It's a matter of right vs.wrong. It's there because, where warranted, it's the "right/just" thing to do. The taking of a life (under certain conditions) warrants the forfeiture of life for the one who does it under those conditions. The victim (and his/her survivors) deserves to have the perpetrator pay the full price for that crime. Does it benefit the victim? No. Nothing will benefit that kind of victim. The victim has suffered an irreparable loss. The only thing we can do as a society is ensure that the perpetrator pays the full price for that loss. I guess it then comes down to whether or not you feel the forfeiture of life is the "fair/full" price for the offense committed. I'm gathering you don't. I do, for certain offenses/circumstances. In the case the OP originally present, I most certainly do. Imagine if you were that 2 y/o girl floating to your death down that river with no way to rescue yourself or no one in sight to help you. If this defendant is truly guilty of the offense, I can't think of a better case to warrant the forfeiture of life than this.

That, and perhaps some of the other state's legislation being rather vulnerable to challenges. I saw an article today where the NY State Police will not enforce their 7 round limit (as part of S.A.F.E.) while it's proceeding through the court system. If some of that gets shot down, they'd be foolish to try it here and yield similar results.

I'm in.... with, potentially, one guest. PM to follow.

Township of Independence, Warren County NJ - Round 2 (for me) 2 P2Ps Submitted - 03/11/2014 Received - 03/28/2014 16 calendar days total... Bravo Independence, Twp!!!

Update: Permits received today, precisely 16 days after submission. So, no worries.

Not "barbaric..." but definitely "cruel & unusual..." and against the 8th amendment. For the appropriate offenses, I don't feel that capital punishment is "cruel & unusual," if done right. By that I mean, no doubt of the defendant's guilt (i.e. no pure reliance on "circumstantial evidence or purely witness testimony")... no unnecessary appeal delays... and use of the most humane execution procedures (the justice is in the sentence of death itself, not in how its carried out). I agree that there are problems with the present system. I agree that it takes too long. I also agree that it is far too easy to manipulate the system to win a conviction, right or wrong. I often think it was a bad move to give the prosecutors the choice to seek/not seek the death penalty. There should be some kind of objective criteria for seeking it and proving it (circumstances of the offense, motive/history of the defendant, etc.). If the circumstances are present and proven, capital punishment becomes an eligible sentence the jury can recommend. The judge would have final say. The judge can overrule a jury's recommendation of a death sentence, but not the opposite - the judge can't overrule a jury and impose death when the jury did not recommend it. I think they can still slip through the cracks. Lot's of things can still be "manipulated." Evidence can be manipulated. Witnesses/Testimony can be manipulated. Then again, juries can also "nullify." The system isn't perfect. I don't know of any justice system that is. Maybe that's why it *does* take so long to impose a death sentence. Nonetheless, the victims of those particular crimes deserve that measure of justice, IMHO. To *not* impose it for the appropriate crimes for fear of error within in the system or for the time it may take, I believe, denies justice to those victims for which it is warranted. I guess it comes down to your values... if you feel the punishment fits the crime.... In this case, I feel it does. Of course, I respect the right to disagree. I forgot to mention... I would add the following "aggravating factor" to the current list - If the defendant, facilitated their crime by taking advantage of the victim's age, innocence, or condition (i.e. children & seniors, physically/mentally challenged, etc.). And I would incorporate in the law, the principle of a "reasonable expectation of innocence" for children etc., which if violated by the defendant, warrants the appropriate punishment "upgrade," including death. Oddly enough, rape (in general) used to be a capital offense on its own, in the South. I don't think I'd have a problem with re-instating that where a child is the victim.

For me, it's a matter of "justice." The one and only one question I ask is, are there crimes and circumstances for which the forfeiture of one's life is that "necessary & sufficient" measure of justice? It's not about deterrence or those other things at all. I think History has taught us that it's not a deterrent in any sense. My answer to that question is, yes. I believe the victims of those crimes (in the case of a murder, not only the person murdered but all their survivors as well are victims... perhaps even society as a whole), deserves that measure of justice. Furthermore, the motive for the murder is just as critical (if not more so) in making that determination. Some motives justify forfeiture of life, IMO (murder for hire / pecuniary gain, murder to evade justice/due process of law or that which indicates a willful/wanton disrespect for justice/due process, serial/mass murder, terroristic motives)... etc. etc. etc.

My Florida status (on-line) is now "Received." May take up to 90 days (legally) to process. They cashed their/my check 2 days ago. Still waiting on a sign from Utah (i.e. cashed check). Check not yet cashed as of this morning. I'm told by Utah 5-6 weeks from that point. As for Arizona, they required a money order. But oddly enough, the USPS has a "Money Order Tracker" so you can tell when someone cashes the money order. So we'll see. I doubt any of them will arrive in time before I depart for my next Florida trip, but I gather they'll be waiting when I return.

Well, at this point, it would seem the weather has decided for us. Forecast for 03/28-03/30 is a lot of rain. I'd imagine the field is going to be like "quicksand." Probably better to wait until it dries and firms up, a little.

None, so far, in the Hackettstown (Warren County) area. PHEW!!!!

Check out the Quinton Sportsmen's Club, just east of Salem. It's a really nice facility, and very friendly people. They should be able to point you in the right direction, if not help you outright.

I forgot to mention, the "application fill out" part also included any required "notarizing" of forms (the instructor's wife is a Notary Public). It also included a "certificate of course completion," which could be copied and stuffed into all the required apps.

Well... it was also BYO ammo/guns, but...

Neither - it was a class offered by the Quinton Sportmen's Club - Multi State CCW Class Not sure when it's scheduled next, but keep an eye on the above site. The class was $195.00 for three states, with an extra $35.00 for AZ. It included the lecture, live fire, application (filling out only), photographs, and fingerprint cards (done by a professional fingerprint person (retired LEO)). It does *not* include the State fees for the apps ($100 for VA non Res, $51.00 for Utah, $112 for Florida Non Res and $60.00 for Arizona). It's in the town of Quniton, just east of Salem, NJ.

Cross Reciprocity. In the event reciprocity agreements change over time, such as when PA dumped Fl, etc. Hopefully, one would remained "covered" anywhere else they need to be.

That was 2 years ago... Most likely before Sandy Hook, I'd assume. Today? Fl says they're at least 8-12 weeks behind. Utah at least 6 weeks behind. AZ is probably the best bet for the "1st return," but it won't include Fl. I go for my Fl trip in early May, so I may not see any of them before I go. But when I go in October, I'll have 'em.

Something like that. I took a class (that included live fire) that covered the requirements for 4 different states (FL, VA, AZ, UT) - but it was, primarily, UT centric (lecture portion) and FL (live fire portion).

Unfortunately, I think that would result in several "arguments" about what "A well regulated militia" means....

The FL "recorded" line indicates mine was "received," but it's not yet on their website. They're claiming 8-12 weeks to get it back, at present. I spoke to a human in UT. Since I sent a "personal check," he said to "watch for when it clears my bank. From then, figure 5-6 weeks thereafter." AZ just received my papers today, I think, so I have no idea. Update: 03/25 - FL cashed my check this morning. So FL is that far, at least.

I submitted two weeks ago. I also submitted AZ this past Friday.... It should be there by now.