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Thanks to yourself, NJSigFan and the other gentleman who let me shoot their 12Gs. Working on a plan now for my own.

Florida Concealed Carry - On line Application

Precisley. As long as it's reasonably "along your route of travel," it's worth it.

I have been stopped for an "infraction" only twice in my (almost) 40 years of driving. In one case, I was asked "Where are you going?" To which I replied "just going home." I was then asked, "Where was that?" And I replied the town's name. Since my PO Box address (in another town/county) was on the DL and reg, that was questioned further as if I were lying (I was driving in the opposite direction... away from the town on my DL). I simply explained that I maintain a PO Box for mailing purposes only. The trooper was able to verify that both addresses were on file at the DMV. He also asked if I knew why I had been stopped, and I told him I did not. He explained why he did, and I did not respond to it (I remained silent) which is when he asked "Where are you going." He asked me twice during the whole encounter, "Did you have anything to drink?" I replied "No" both times. He didn't pursue it any further. Since all my other papers were in order, and he became satisfied that I was being truthful and polite, he then let me go with a verbal warning as to what he stopped me for. The other time I was stopped (before the above incident), was a local PD. The chief question asked in that encounter was, "How's your driving record?" Knowing he'd have access to the DMV, I answered truthfully, mentioning the last item on that record (of only two in total),which happened 2-years prior. The officer stopped me right there. He literally stepped away from my window, did a "360-pirouette," and said, "That's a pretty good driving record!" I guess he expected me to lie. And, again, after checking the other docs, he let me go with a verbal warning. Always be sure to stop "behind" the white solid "stop line" at a Stop sign or traffic light. These would have been about 14 years ago. Have not been stopped for an infraction since then <knock on wood> And no, I was not asked if I had weapons in the car, in either case. Ironic, since both encounters were at about 9-10pm at night. I concur with being extremely diplomatic/polite and truthful, but not volunteering any information.Answer any direct question with a direct response that doesn't answer more than was asked. And yes, diplomacy & politeness go quite a long way. I'm doing my best to teach that to my 17y/o (and already driving) niece.

Yep.... "Do you know what time it is?" Answer: Yes!

Fair enough.... Again, I'm not saying we should not pursue the right to carry or any other 2A rights. I'm just saying that there are more critical and immediate things of concern... things introduced in that recent swath of legislation that, if passed, would take away even more of the few rights etc. we currently *do* have. We can't afford to lose any more. I'm more than happy to do what I can. Of course, we all have to make a living and have time restrictions, and so do I. But I can certainly email / phone our legislators, or talk with people I meet (especially antis with questions) and be the right kind of "brand ambassador" for our avocation... one the antis/MSM can't screw with or spin as "crazy/idiotic/buffoonish." I can take people to my range and let them see what it's like to use a weapon in a safe environment. I can contribute some $$$ when I have them. Depending on where this new organization decides to hold its meetings, I may be able to attend them (the further north, the better - NJ2AS does/did seem to be a bit "southern NJ" centric). Hopefully, once this new organization takes shape, there will be some "directives" published as to where the avg. volunteer like myself can put their efforts to best use... to help in forming a "united front..." something we desperately need.

This is all very true. I'm hoping, at this point, that we don't lose any more ground and hold on to what we have ( eg. 15 rnd mags, etc.). If we give up any more, they'll eventually come after it all. We need to fight to hold our ground now, and not give any back., Then we can try to gain ground with things like carrying. Carrying is something we never really had. But things we do have (and have had) are now at risk of being taken away. We can't allow that. First things first.

I concur. First things first. IMHO CCW is not the highest priority at this point. It's fighting all these addl draconian gun laws... specifically: Increased magazine capacity limits (#1) Additional "registration" requirements (that may lead to easier confiscation or denial of ownership use); Adding additional weapons to the "assault weapons" list that have no business being there; etc, I think these have a much more critical impact on the avg. gun owner/2A supporter than being able to carry in public, open or concealed. I'm not saying to forget about CCW... I'm just saying, "First things First."

Yes. And it's now $20.00 when you do it via the web link.

Welcome. I am also Warren County (Independence Twp.).

It's why they have these huge "guard cages" when they're going to start the engines without taxiing. They're there for a reason. At full thrust, a GE 90 115b (the most powerful jet engine built) can suck some ridiculous amt. of air in 2 seconds.

Welcome. That makes four (4) different Washington Townships, that I know of in NJ, including Bergen County Morris County Warren County (which also includes the "Burrough of Washington"). I guess ol' George slept "everywhere."

+1. I've also gone "paperless."

I'm not sure if that's better or worse....

That's what I thought. It would seem ridiculous for all of that to be generated by the State. And, as has been stated, all the mental health and reference checks, etc. ... $2.00 per permit, exactly the same, I believe.

So the permits and FID card themselves, are not typed up "locally" (i.e. at each PD HQ)? Trenton has to print them all and then distribute them? No wonder it takes so long for some....

The drivers license (or State ID) is *the* premiere form of ID for just about *everything* these days. I believe it has even surpassed the "US Passport" for that purpose. Almost everyone seeks it as a form of ID. Point being, I wouldn't want some of the people "seeking it" to know (via "endorsement") that I'm a firearms owner. Employers, banks, professional agencies that offer "certification credentials" (i.e. when you show up to take the credential exam), lots of entities. I'd prefer the separate FID. That way, only those who "need to know," can know. And, if the process weren't so onerous (i.e. bureaucracy of PDs), I'd be OK with renewing them every 4 or so years, just like the drivers license.

Works for me.

This would actually be better for me than the 25th, but I have an early doctor appt. at 8am. I'm free thereafter. Where and when?

I'm in. Sorry you won't be there Nick.

Wouldn't have worked in our classroom. They had a huge rtiter fan built into the window that could clear the room in maybe 90 seconds. That, and hood enclosures. But we used to do things like make "Hindenburgs." Take a "test tube water trough." fill it with very soapy water, and then blow methane through it with a hose. When the bubbles rise, light them... We didn't do it often, since the setup/cleanup took a lot of time... very risky..

The list of things teachers got away with in my school days that would get them banned for life today! My HS chemistry teacher, as part of teaching "Organic Chem." put on the classroom peg board the formula for THC, (an alcohol) and it's more potent "acid" variant ("Acapulco Gold") as examples of complex organic compounds.

Are the references checked "each and every" time? Say I get my initial FID and P2Ps this past December. Six month's later, I want two more P2Ps. I fill out the same paperwork (except for SB121A this time). I list the same references I listed 6 months ago. Would the PD still send out the reference questionnaires? I'd think it a huge PITA to have the same people send back the same form 3-4 times a year, and redundant for the PD to keep doing it and get the same replies. Unless, of course, it's part of the design of delaying the process.

Could it have been someone "unsure" of your age and "carding" you? I look pretty "old & ugly..."

I've only purchased birdshot a Dick's, but all they required of me was to answer whether or not I was over 18 on their electronic scanner. I did not have to show either ID. This is the Dick's in Rockaway NJ.