Scorpio64

Pretty sure a Claymore will stop a burglary. Instead of a siren when the alarm trips, I could record a track in Dolby 5.1 that would have the intruder thinking the entire freaking USMC was coming for them. Protecting a home or business is as much a head game as it is hardware.

That's a terrible hat. Good example of how fashion often ignores function. First off, all those holes will leak thoughts and that rose is like a satellite dish for government mind control.

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He had several 308 rifles, one a bolt action. I believe 308 loaded with AP would do damage to a tank 600 yards away. Would not be too hard to hit either.

The ground will be pretty hard tomorrow, so, you're probably right.

SS109/M855 is AP like my AR is an assault weapon.

The only news I have came a few months ago. Basically, an MD I know belongs to the same country club as Keilly. Keilly told him about the range and said he was doing it, would take a couple years to open. Ridiculous red tape dealing with the state since they took over the land, basically stealing it from Eatontown, Tinton Falls and Oceanport. But that's another story. It's coming..... eventually.

Exactly what armor piercing ammo was sold? If it was green tips, this is absolutely a nothingburger.

I dunno man. Your experience at CMO seems to be different than mine. Every time I have been there I was well attended to. They gave me as much time as I wanted and were happy to help. Sometimes I had to wait because they were insanely busy, but when they got to me, it was all about me.

Last time I went there was a little over a year ago. Even then it was mostly used stuff, which is great, I love blued steel and American walnut. In fact, I got the deal of a lifetime at Sportsman's when I found a Marlin 39D, which is a collector gun, for $250.00. The shelves were not well stocked and I was told they were scaling back reloading supplies and accessories. I have not been to CMO since they moved. I'd hate to see them go under because they relocated. They were always busy any time I viseted.

My grandmother used to say... "People know the price of everything and the value of nothing". For whatever reason RTSP sets their pricing policy, it's just that, their policy. If you don't like it, shop somewhere else. I've never been to RTSP but I've heard mostly good things about them. Would I buy a firearm from them? Probably not, because I am a bargain hunter. Not everyone shops like me and I don't expect every retailer to accommodate my buying habits. As a general rule, I spend about 1/3rd of my shooting sports budget locally. I do this to support our state's LGSs. I have seen dozens go out of business over the years because of the cost of doing bidniz in NJ. Am I paying more than I would at Bud's or PSA, well, sure. But I'm getting something I can't from Bud's, live in person service, advice, expertise, the ability to touch it before I decide to buy and the ability to take it home today. It's called value added retail. That's what you are paying for at a LGS. I've also found that if you do business enough with someone, you become a regular customer. As such, I can usually negotiate good deals. Relationships matter and you don't get that from an on-line retailer. If RTSP's prices are so outrageous, they will go out of business because people will shop somewhere else. From what I see though, they are not going out of business any time soon. They must be doing something right. Concerning the break in. I can only guess that someone who is blase about it has never been burglarized or robbed. Whether it's your home or business, it's still personal. It's not like a multinational conglomerate retailer was broken into, it was a locally owned and operated LGS built with hand and heart by the proprietors. There is no greater sense of being violated than having something stolen from you.

The forecast for Sunday is not looking good. Snow and sleet before 2pm, then freezing rain between 2pm and 4pm, then rain after 4pm. High near 38. Chance of precipitation is 80%. New precipitation amounts between a quarter and half of an inch possible.

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@Zeke <laughing> Oh man, you are skruuuued. You may need to get a night job.

Dude. Wtf? Did you eat a peck of pickled peppers or something?

When I was a kid, paper shells were still somewhat common. At least at my house. Not difficult to open the crimp and close it back up. I think we are at a point here where we are splitting hairs. The point of my post, where I brought up wax cut shells, is that it's better than just plain old #8 birdshot if you have nothing else on hand. It was an off the cuff comment to say that such a shell can be made more useful absent of better ammo.

An hour at the range is just a warmup.

Do I even want to know......

>Scorpio64 taking the reigns.< The ham will rise again (like the south). Well, you can display your empty OLD boxes that misrepresented the contents and be a "hamist", or get with the times. I know it may be difficult for some who were raised in the wrong part of NJ, they can't let go of the past. My only advice is, if you want to be happier, just roll with it.

Yep, it was. What wasn't as available was money. Why buy a bag of expensive 00 pellets and less expensive a bag of #8 when they could do it all with one sack the cheap stuff. The shell is cut at the felt wad which acts as the bottom. The cut portion of the paper shell stays with the waxed shot, it keeps it all kinda glued together until it hits it's target. So, the paper shell itself is the shot cup. Chokes today are the same as fixed chokes 100 years ago. A modified choke from 1935 was no tighter than a modified choke today, It's the same amount of constriction. You are assuming that all shotguns back then had full chokes. Deer and upland game guns from that period typically had an improved cylinder or Modified choke if it was a single barrel, and IC and Modified if it was a SxS, neither of which is terribly restrictive. The only shotguns from that period that would have full chokes would have been goose guns. This is a testament to the efficacy of cut shells. Well, duh. But this isn't 1934. The point being made was, for home defense (or depression era deer hunting on the cheap), if all you had was #8 game or target loads, a wax cut shell would be better than plain bird shot. If cut shells didn't work, why are they still a thing?

I've tried several Mountain House products. They range from good to excellent and have an astounding 30 year shelf life. Midway has frequent sales on Mt House. I suggest buying one of each and seeing what you like and order more. Side note: Wouldn't it suck to fill a 5 gallon bucket with dry beans or rice just to find out when you need it that insect eggs were in the original packaging and worms ate up all your beans. On the bright side, I guess, you'd have protein rich worms to eat.

OPRA is a dead end. From the NJSP response to Citizens For A Safer NJ They have that 411, maybe not officially, but they know. And if they don't, a third party federal investigator can certainly find out. The justifiable cause has to be documented somewhere. Maybe the NJSP processes the armed guard permits and the judges and their cronies process their permits locally, to keep it all quiet like. If it's kept out of the purview of the NJSP, then they can deny knowledge.

Is there any way to get a federal investigation into the permitting process and how it excludes all but the politicians and the politically connected? A successful suit really begins with who exactly has a ccw and that info isn't ever going public. We'd need some third party with the authority to audit the list of ccw holders. 2A is a federally protected right so it makes sense that the feds would be the ones to investigate this. After all, when you look at who has a ccw and who doesn't, it screams corruption.

To be fair, cut shells were "invented" when shells were made of thick waxed paper so I don't think they had that problem in the 30's. With plastic shells, it should only be done with a cyl bore . Also, cut shells were used mainly in single shot and SxS shotguns in the 20s and 30's. An experienced user of such shells would look down the barrel and clear anything out that got left behind. As far as penetration is concerned. 1 1/8 oz traveling at 1100 fps will produce at least 1500 ft lbs of energy inside of 15 yards. Penetration may not be deep but every internal organ will be turned into pudding. You get shot with a cut shell at 5 to 10 yards, you ain't getting up any time soon. btw folks. if all this talk about cut shells got you think'n bout messing around with cut shells, don't. If you don't know what you are doing, you could ruin a perfectly good day at the range.

I've done my research. Have you ever made and shot a waxed cut shell? There are untold thousands of dirt poor mountain and country folk that hunted deer with cut shells, especially during the great depression. If they are done properly, cut shells are very effective.