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I have their 9mm 995ts carbine, and I love it. Cheap, super accurate, fun to shoot, always have a good time with it at the range. I am actually looking to buy another one if anyone has one they are looking to get rid of (wife wants her own). Their hand guns are not all that great. If you can't afford anything else, its a great bargain, but that's about it. Certainly there are way better guns out there, but keep in mind that some people are scraping by just to put food on the table. Having something to arm yourself with is better than nothing at all.

Yes and yes. I would make sure the person buying the shotgun ammo is at least 18 (just for cover your ass reasons), but other than that no restrictions. As w2mc said. List it here, someone wants it.

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I got a good laugh from that one.

Core is what we don't have. Core is a center, a gathering point, the foundation of all our efforts, a unity, if you will. Its the central unifying point that all our efforts should radiate from. One group, with a few thousand members, will never defeat an anti group of several million. PERIOD. It doesn't matter how good your plan is, or how noble your intentions are. You don't have the numbers, or the money, or the resources its going to take for a victory.

You are right. However, I wasn't talking about fighting for our rights, as much as I was talking about wasting time with foolish ways of going about it. We have the power to fight with effectiveness, voice, and numbers. Rather, we just choose to fight ourselves with petty shit, and my "title" is bigger than yours.

I would also like to add that my keyboard commando hole in the ground is where I have written several checks to these groups. Where my family and I have prepared for the meetings, and the events, and the rally's, that we wasted our time going to. It's also, where we receive the countless emails, and letters, and fund drive propaganda that all of them send. It's also where we have filled out our membership forms to these wastes of time. Keyboard commando? Hardly! I have been shoulder to shoulder with all of you for a long time. I guess you didn't notice me because I wasn't walking around with a t shirt listing every group I joined, and every boyscout I have ever talked to. Maybe then I would be "important" just like you.

For the record: I don't want these groups to get together and continue the same old b.s. but with more numbers. I want everyone to get together behind a real plan and execute. If every member of every group did that, we would be going places. Having an even bigger circle jerk is not going to help anyone.

Smokin .50: Well, I didn't really even know your group existed, let alone have you in mind when I wrote my comment. But......Since you threw your hat in the "My group is different, support us." ring, lets just analyze this a second: 1. Loooong letter screaming like a yokel that you are better/ diffrent: CHECK 2. Pissed off rant that no one supports you: CHECK 3. Manage to alienate the people that you are trying to attract: CHECK 4. Rant about others asking for status titles and then give us a Loooong list of yours: CHECK 5. Attack another 2A group by name: Double bonus points CHECK 6. Prove, once again, that unity is the only way to win, and we are far from it: CHECK CONGRATULATIONS!!!!! YOU ARE AN OFFICIAL NJ 2A GROUP!!!! YAAAAAY!

+1 Regardless, thanks 45Doll. Good stuff.

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We need one concerted effort if we are ever going to accomplish anything. The Pro 2A crowd here in NJ is divided, plain and simple. The problem is all of these so called "leaders" here in NJ have had their chance to do something to unite us, but have failed. Every single one of these groups have alienated or pissed off someone, to the point where there's too much bad blood. Not that this will ever happen, but all of these groups need to disband and form one new focused group that everyone gets behind. Unfortunately, I think Hillary will push for NJ CCW before we get our act together.

Should have called it "That old NORTH Jersey".

I have family just over the bridge in PA, and they don't know how bad things are here. And these people are gun owners 10 minutes from NJ. I don't imagine people in NH are any more informed. The vast majority of gun owners in other states have no idea what is going on in NJ.

Parker has a good link on the ranges. Beat me to it.

http://www.state.nj.us/dep/fgw/hunted.htm This link will take you to the NJ F&W website. This will tell you everything you need to do to get a hunting license. A lot of the members here get together about once a month up in the Clinton WMA and do a clay shoot. You might want to go out with them. You don't need a license if someone in the group has one, and I am sure several of the guys do. This way you can see what its all about, and get some clay shooting in at the same time. They usually have a thread going on here. Im sure if you search "shotgun shootout" you will find the threads.

WMA stands for Wildlife Management Area. The NJ division of fish and wildlife manages public lands around the state where people can go hunting, fishing, nature walking etc. Some of these areas have shooting and archery ranges where you can target practice or clay shoot. But you must have a hunting license to do so. Many people who don't hunt, get their license just to be able to shoot there for free.

Just wanted to remind anyone who shoots at a WMA to renew their hunting license. Licenses expire at the end of the year.

Its a tough crowd in here until you get to know everyone. Don't sweat the facepalms. There's plenty more where those came from, especially for a new guy. Ask your questions, take your facepalms, and learn all you can along the way. Pretty soon you'll be facepalming the new guys.

Try amazon. http://www.amazon.com/cell-phone-devices/b?ie=UTF8&node=7072561011. They have new and used. They also work with carriers if you are adding on a phone to your plan, so you get the amazon discount as well as any discount your carrier offers.

Just a question. Why would it be ok to have a loaded gun in the safe, but it would be against the law to have an unloaded one in the same safe? I am pretty sure you get where I am going with this, and the reason for the facepalms. Oh, and welcome to the forums. Get used to the facepalming.

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There is a reason we have copyright, trademark, and patent laws in this country. Obviously, you are not seeing this as a trademark issue between businesses, but a personal property issue. That's your right to see it that way, but the article you posted doesn't support what your saying. Never the less, there is no sense in debating this any further, as it is clear we are talking about two different things.