Sgt251

I see, interesting. So because they are a club, a gun club, and when they make arbitrary decisions and rules it's ok as long as it doesn't interere with your right to own firearms and shoot. But when the government makes arbitrary rules by way of laws that does interfere with your rights to own firearms that is not acceptable. I for one think both situations are wrong and I think it's wrong to be a hypocrite. And by the way if you do in fact complain about the board you may be in the same position as george one day. One day you may ask them the wrong question and be brought up on charges for "disrupting the good order of the club", a.k.a., they just don't like you.

Oh I agree and don’t. You’re perception Mr. Director of what are lies and what are not will be proven wrong in the proper forum. And as far as being notified of the meeting he was not, and the board knew that. The official Postal Service web site listed the letter as still waiting to be picked up when you had your inquisition. I saw the documentation. You never had the curtesy to even try to notify him by phone or any other way that the letter was there. This will all be brought out in court with documented evidence. Please, before this is closed down have the director answer this. WHY, since according to you he was discharged from the club for a failure to appear and no vote was taken, are you violating his rights as a legal gun owner, NRA member and supporter, professional and business owner, and a citizen. WHY is he not permitted as a member of the public to attend PUBLIC matches. Why are the other members not allowed to have him at the club as a guest. And, have you notified all the members that they are prohibited from letting him come as a guest and why? WHY are you violating the rights of a solid member of the club and community. A person that had the best interest of the club, never had an issue at all with safety and in fact would give safety briefings to club members at his own match. WHY a person that protected the assets of the club and has always spoken highly of the club to prospective members. WHY ARE YOU VIOLATING HIS RIGHTS. You have no answer to that and since you are quoting the by-laws show the posters here where the by-laws state that he is prohibited from the club as a guest or member of the public. SHOW US. While you’re at it answer me this. WHY are all the individuals that support him and are his friends under constant surveillance by board members and officers every time they meet at the club? Don’t even attempt to deny it, there are so many witnesses. He is officially banned from the club as a member of the public or as a guest per official correspondence transmitted from their attorney written by the President of the Club. I along with others have read the document. He has never been tried on any charges nor has any trumped up charges been proven or even deliberated.

Wow, within five minutes of my last post I have to break my promise again. I am so tired of hearing posts like this one. Look at the FACTS, George NEVER accused the board of doing anything wrong prior to the membership meetings. The only thing George did was informally, then formally requested the monthly financial documents. The very first board meeting which I along with many others attended with George, Byron was the one that stood up and screamed across the table that he wouldn’t tolerate being called a thief! Nobody in that room ever accused him or anyone else of that. All George wanted was the financials he was entitled to. The membership meeting where the Chairman distributed all of Georges personal information then challenged him to provide proof that the board was doing something wrong was setup by them. All they wanted was him up in front of the membership as a setup, EXACTLY like what happened to the last person that requested documentation. At that meeting George had no documentation because the board REFUSED to give him any. People need to get this straight. Your never going to get George to engage in any debate or planned inquisition. He does his homework, compiles the facts and documents whatever he feels is his concerns, then addresses them. And now because of the board’s illegal actions to get him out of the club, he will NEVER produce any evidence to this forum, any other forum or any place other than in court. So speculate all you want but try to keep your opinions in line with the facts. And if you don’t know the facts then wait and when they come out you will be informed.

As one of George's close personal friends I have listened to enough arm chair legal opinions and speculation without any facts, or intentional mis-information as presented in these forums. He has asked many of us close to him that have first hand knowledge of the facts and documented information (seen with our own eyes) not to participate in trying his case on the internet. Without trying to break that promise I still feel compelled to state the following facts since these facts are public knowledge and do not expose the more serious information he has. I can guarantee that if the board is looking to retaliate further by alleging that George has broken any CJRPC rules they are in for a hell of a big surprise. Because he has not. In fact, the individuals responsible for the club, our leadership, are the very ones that have broken the rules. Somebody brought it up so let’s get to the heart of it. The Pinelands advertised on the club property for over two years. This was brought up by George only because he also wanted to advertise on the property assuming it was ok. Finally, after months of attempts he was told at a board meeting (CHECK THE BOARD MEETING MINUTES) that permission was given by the President of CJRPC to the Pinelands to erect the sign AND THAT WAS AN ERROR ON HIS PART. This came without board approval and no compensation to the club. A direct violation of the published bylaws and rules. The reason given for the sign being taken down was a “Disciplinary action”, the facts of which are a closely held secret however most of us know why, for the rest of you I am sure it will come out in discovery. The whole deal and resulting action is a rats nest of back door deals and inappropriate behavior by the club management. Nothing happened as a result of that. George has never performed a single FFL transaction at the club and has never violated the club “guest” membership policy. He has never advertised at the club, in fact his own steel trailer and truck has no company information or markings on it at all. He did however offer all CJRPC members a discount on his firearms web site, many of whom have taken him up on it. In fact, probably the same people that has formed the hanging party have benefited from his discount. As recently as three or four months ago he was responsible for recommending two individuals to the membership, they joined, and he continues to recommend CJRPC as a great place to shoot. He was a match director and donated two days to construction activities at the site, payment a mere $50 off of his membership. He’s a better man than I am. To another individuals comment, George is a victim of a pattern of intimidation and scare tactics to keep the membership in the dark. A few years ago another member (many of you reading this know his name) attempted to ask the very same questions of the board. Fast forward to the end he was brought up on charges, nothing related to safety or rule breaking at the club, and was threatened with expulsion. He attended the hearing and struck a deal with the “board”. Essentially a threat, either drop your inquiry now or you will be removed from the club. He backed down for reasons only he can answer and I won’t speculate. There is a long history of this behavior. Again to one of the poster’s point, this time they have screwed with a bear that will bite back and unfortunately for the club bullies, he has the teeth to do it. Board members are quick to point out that he didn’t show up for his hearing so he threw himself out of the club. A hearing on charges that were completely false and retaliatory. Charges that were brought on by a board member and heard by other board members all of which George had a standing complaint against for violating his rights as a club member and violating his rights to privacy. That complain, a members complaint, was swept under the carpet. A hearing which he was not notified of. His legal folks have started a formal process to have the Postal Service investigate the alleged attempt to deliver a certified letter to him. Those of us that know him and what he has been confronted with in the past year know for sure he was never notified of the meeting. He would have no reason not to show up. He has never backed down up against the board and would have mounted a full legal assault at that hearing had he been aware of it. I know he is going to be pissed when he finds out about this post. Just last week we were hanging out talking and I asked him how he can sit back and read what people are saying not knowing the real truth. He said no, he wasn’t pissed. First of all he said he knows that some of the posters are just board members thinking that they will remain anonymous trying to mount support by spreading lies. The problem is that not even the anonymous nature of the internet will help once he gets to court. He also said it doesn’t bother him because he is sitting on a mountain of proof to support his case, a case which he is determined to try in court. This is one of my favorite posts, ARNut, on 08 Feb 2015 - 8:34 PM, said: Believe me, nobody is going to be found guilty or go to jail. There were no improper payments. This is really a fantasy dreamed up by some disgruntled members. Prior to payments going out it was checked by an attorney and brought to the membership at a meeting. Any scene you can think of can be turned around to make it look improper unless all the facts are on the table. George and his buddies are in fantasy land as will be proven. The only fantasy in this club is the one that the Board members live every time they rattle their mighty sword and declare to the membership at large, kiss my ring for thou art blessed with the gift of shooting at MY range. The real heart of this post is that for every negative opinion I have read so far related to George and the club, I can honestly say I have seen documented evidence to support his position. He has a whole lineup of legal statements, witnesses and supporters that will be there with him in court. Don’t expect to hear from them in this forum. As for me I don’t give a crap about getting flamed, I am retired from law enforcement and use to being beat up verbally. I say in advance, sorry George for this post, I won’t do it again, well maybe not.

The bod did approve pistol carbines for use in the pits. They just were dragging their feet putting the rule change into effect. The by-laws state that it was to be done in one month. The bod just does what it wants and if you try to speak with them you are treated like crap. I have asked about the rule change and was told that it will be done when its done. Nice I love being treated like I'm a child that is asking "are we there yet". The bod put in the trailers so they do not have to walk up stairs for the private bod meetings.