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"slide or cause to slide into itself, so that it becomes smaller." Not a lawyer, but I think the "OR" is important here. The example in the first post could easily be concentric tubular parts that slide to become smaller.

I agree with the sentiment but you have to remember we are talking about two different laws. They may be practically identical, but the court didn't review NJ's language. There's no reasonable way for this kind of ruling to negate "similar" laws elsewhere, other than being relevant in our favor the next time NJ is looked at.

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/02/john-boch/proposed-executive-order-designating-rifles-militia-purposes/ So the national attention this is getting may generate an EO to protect ARs, perhaps even un-neutering NJ rifles until more permanent changes can be made.

Stock up while you can

I agree that they definitely closed later than that. Not sure exactly when, but it was a few months ago that I noticed their Facebook page had been deleted. Definitely a friendly place but I think the writing was on the wall for some time.

"The Justices have long had a seemingly contentious relationship with the Ninth Circuit, which covers most of the western United States and Hawaii and Alaska. Far more cases come to the Court from the Ninth Circuit than any other court, and — not surprisingly — Ninth Circuit rulings make up a sizeable portion of the docket of argued and decided cases – 75 cases, or 25.7% for the last four Terms including the current session. During that period, the Court has reversed or vacated and sent back 79.5% of the Ninth Circuit decisions it has reviewed." http://www.scotusblog.com/2014/06/scotus-for-law-students-sponsored-by-bloomberg-law-scoring-the-circuits/ Being that wrong so consistently should require a complete replacement of the entire 9th Circus.

This has always been the case. Anyone who makes enough noise will quietly be issued a permit. This serves to both invalidate any legal claim that permits aren't being issued and also to dissuade them from continuing to invest their limited time and money battling an opponent with unlimited resources.

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I can't believe the experiences I read about on these forums. My FID/initial PPs "only" took about 3 months and I was frustrated enough that I don't feel like going through it again for more PPs.

Proposing this bill can only strengthen the position of NJ gun owners. Of course we all want equal treatment and the restoration of the 2nd Amendment in NJ, but that's obviously not going to happen with one bill. His explanation for his motivations seems pretty valid.

Another supposedly pro-gun member of this forum that wants to see fellow gun owners locked up and the key thrown away as an action plan for restoring gun rights in NJ. Very inspiring.

It's really no wonder NJ is in such a sad state of affairs when you see how many here want to cannibalize their fellow gun owners. A supposed pro gun forum full of members crying that they can't carry so they support the draconian anti gun legislation when it's employed to destroy a man's life. What a pathetic viewpoint and misguided direction of anger.

This is irrelevant, just because the law wouldn't immediately let non resident permits carry doesn't mean it wouldn't topple NJ. The 4th Amendment ensures equal protection under the law. If national reciprocity is a thing, you can't continue denying permits to residents while non-residents are free to carry here. This is the only reason why they can currently justify almost wholly denying permits...no one else is allowed to carry here either.

There are at least two NJ supreme court cases that have ruled in this manner. A business owner is allowed to carry on the premises. Employees are not, and have been convicted for doing so. The courts were very clear that only a business owner is permitted, and they specifically did not want to give business owners the power to authorize employees to carry for any reason. I totally support the right of anyone to carry at their place of business, but I hope that no one does without a significant ownership stake. The police might not care day to day, but if a self defense scenario occurs my money would be on the non-owner being charged and convicted.

$50 for a transfer now. Not great, but he's the only one in the area. The hours are still funky.

Surprised to hear that people avoid Rayco. I've never had a bad experience there. Always good deals and quick & easy transactions.

I was in awe reading them explain how justifiable need should work, saying that you just have to be mugged first and then you should get a permit. Except that you still won't. I hate this state.

I can't imagine a better 14th amendment case than allowing out of state residents to carry in NJ and denying it to residents. This is why they refuse to establish reciprocity agreements now. NJ could and probably would fight national reciprocity, but it would lose.

FID card has nothing to do with it. Non residents can open carry, but not inside your car or other places that you'd expect to be restricted. Use common sense, state parks, school, airport, etc. But as was previously mentioned, you're technically not exempted for firearm transportation to your in laws house (in NJ). Transport in compliance with NJ law and cover your ass with a gun range that you are traveling to if stopped & searched for some reason. Don't make trouble for yourself and volunteer your destination or trunk contents.

Cherry Hill has been that way for awhile. Personally I just completed it, although it is certainly illegal. I identified my wife, and they sent her a letter informing her of my intention to purchase a firearm, and her "right" to object to my firearm ownership, with some yes/no check boxes for her to indicate whether or not she wants to prevent the permits. Pathetic. The good news is Cherry Hill usually seems to abide by the 30 day limit, or close to it. Much better than some of the other townships you read about on here.

I would never want to dissuade anyone from perusing their Second Amendment rights, but I have seen others with documented attempts/threats on their life be denied. I agree with the others that political connections are the ONLY way you get a permit in NJ. An "ordinary" citizen will never have justifiable need until the requirement is struck down or self-defense is allowed.

Yup. It's unfortunate to have no faith in the system but the judges were all bought a long time ago.

So theoretically you could have an unloaded long gun and loaded magazines in the car and be OK with a FID?

Not in the original post but the author commented later multiple times saying it was in NJ.

NJ does have a castle doctrine, no duty to retreat in a home, so no issues there. I was really just interested in him saying he transports his gun around and carrys on any private property that allows, and wondering if I was misunderstanding the law. I also agree with everyone that thinks the story sounds fishy. A few things struck me as very odd, especially his non chalant attitude about retaining a lawyer. I also scanned a couple local news sites and couldn't find any mention of a shooting that matched up with these details.