Bushmaster1313

^^^ Yes. Carefully. Very carefully. In New York the first post Bruen case that got before a federal judge would have been a grand slam but plaintiffs’ attorneys did not choose the correct plaintiffs or defendants. Whatever cases go first in New Jersey under Bruen on the Superior Court delays or any new legislation must be perfect as they will set precedent going forward. The New Jersey 10+ magazine ban case is an old case filed pre-Bruen that was remanded back to the federal district court and it is proceeding. That case could go all the way to the Supreme Court. Pre Bruen I thought this a terrible case as it could have badly limited rights under the 2A. Post Bruen this is a wonderful case as there is no long standing history of banning the possession of 10+ magazines.

Any more permits out of Middlesex after the first 10 were signed/issued on September 29/30 ?

My guess County prosecutor found something or incomplete package sent over

New Jersey tried to take it to the Supreme Court but the Supreme Court would not hear the case. That turned out to be a good thing as the New York case was stronger for the following reasons. 1) NY issued permits based on Zip codes. Low crime Zip Code yes, High crime Zip Code no; and, 2) The record showed that New York’s laws were enacted to prevent certain ethnic groups (e.g. Italians) from carrying guns;

Does permit mention an order? if so I would say it is permittee’s duty to track down the order IIRC statute does not mention an order. But if there is an order and the permittee is on notice of I think the permittee violates the order at permittee’s risk.

Anyone find a good wallet to hold the permit and a folded up two page Order that goes with it. I ordered a wallet made to hold a U.S. Passport in a sleeve and a CDC vaccination card behind a clear plastic screen. Based on the the published dimensions with the wallet it looks like the laminated permit will fit behind the clear plastic screen.

Judges’ chambers are busy and the staff is typically over worked. During some trials the staff will often bring papers from other matters and cases for the judge to read and sign. Now that there is virtually no basis for a judge to deny a permit approved by a local police chief there is really no reason to keep the judges in the loop.

I would not be so sure that permits cannot be restricted to the guns on which the permittee qualified.

I agree that a lawsuit needs to be done right. But the issue is not the background check, it’s that certain county courts are just sitting on the police department approved applications.

Middlesex seems to be a black hole into which Police Department approved applications go in and nothing comes out. It’s been reported in previous pages that the original judge assigned to review permit applications is no longer assigned and permit applications have now been assigned to two other judge’s. Any other information from Middlesex would be sincerely appreciated.

Any word from Middlesex Monday or Tuesday

30 days come and gone.

Actually Under the statute it is the applicant who is to present the police department approved application to the Superior Court. Seems to me that this is never done in practice and it is the Police Department who sends the approved application to the court. I have no idea how an applicant would in practice present their own approved application to the court and I am really unsure how the applicant would present to the court an application that was deemed approved because the police department took no action after 60 days.

This is what we have heard from Middlesex County

Would seem to me to be an equal protection problem if which county you live in determines if, when and what restrictions are on permit. still just crickets from Middlesex county

Don’t know if this is good or bad. Good if things go according to law Bad if excuse to start 30 day clock afresh

I thought it was belonging to Democrat Party that disqualified gun ownership in New Jersey.

What town? what date received by Middlesex County Superior Court what proof do you have that Middlesex Superior Court received your a PD approved application more than 30 days ago and as I said in a previous post—Middlesex County may not be the best county for the first test case. BTW. If your are a nurse and have to walk in dangerous parking lots at night that is a big plus as a plaintiff. Female nurse would add extra zing.

as at least some police department approved applications are coming due this week at Middlesex County Superior Court, This is the week that Middlesex needs to fish or cut bait on issuing permits. Can’t say I have much sympathy, it’s a stew of their own cooking.

Is this a Stealth Bill Amyone have a link

Silly Rabbit You forget the first rule of the Liberal Democratic Elite: ”The rules apply to thee not me”

I would hope contact to the court by an attorney would be enough. But who knows. If formal legal action needs to be taken to make the court act, that needs to be thought out very carefully as the first case could set precedent for all future cases. Seriously, the first case should include as plaintiffs a wounded and decorated Veteran confined to a wheel chair, an elderly person who was critically injured in a robbery, a homosexual who has been the victim of gay bashing, a Muslim who was beat up because of their religion, a black who was beat up because of their race, a woman who was raped, and/or a battered woman seeking to defend herself against an abusive ex-spouse. ^^^ The above is not a joke. As some may recall, the Heller plaintiffs included a gay man who had defended himself from gay bashing in another state with a gun given to him by his mother, and a guard at the U.S. Capital, who was trusted with a firearm to protect members of Congress but who was not allowed to purchase a handgun to protect himself at home. Unfortunately, optics matter.

My thoughts on the "delay" in Middlesex County 1) As far as anyone knows -- Other than money orders being cashed there is no action yet on any post-Bruen carry permit out of Middlesex County; 2) The 30 day deadline for at least some police department approved applications received at Middlesex County Court is fast approaching -- But as far as we have heard, the 30 day deadline has not passed for any particular application; 3) The Middlesex Judge responsible for permits is well informed of all the applicable statutes, regulations, Directives and Court Decisions impacting the 30 deadline for approving, denying or holding a hearing on a police department approved carry permit application; 4) My flat out guess (and your guess is a s good as mine) is that the Middlesex Judge is waiting until the 30 day deadline arrives for the first PD approved application received by the Court to see if there is any: Legislative Action, advice from the State Police, or directive from the New Jersey Supreme Court. 5) Absent any unforeseen circumstance, I expect a flood of approved applications coming out of the Middlesex Superior Court in the next 2 weeks.

And if all the initial permits get issued the same day/week this go round — what fun it will be two years from now when all those permits need to be renewed all at the same time!

^^^ Woo Hoo