Ricky_Bobby

Thanks Stephen for your answers - in bold is what I had figured - I guess we need to hire people to get some death threats or robberies on record going forward LOL

Already on it- making a trip to NC to finalize where we are going to end up living in 5 weeks - if for some reason we decide against it, then its off to the smokies somewhere between the west NC/TN border, maybe Knoxville.

I clarified Trust me its not happening this year - and I don't have years to wait for this but I will support them in the meantime, but I am still out of here. Paying 1/4 the property taxes and being able to actually have a semblence of freedom is more important to me than saying I live in Jersey at this time in my life.

^So then he got the politician/LEO permit - not the BS "security guard" permit - good for him - Will keep my eyes peeled on what happens going forward - I'm sure Tuminelli will get his and then the real story begins - as you said in the other thread apparently there are people involved that are denied because they just want to carry for self defense - show me some victories there and I'll be reconsidering leaving this garbage state - maybe. EDIT: I'm still out of here, but would be interesting to see some rights come back.

So I can apply and be denied and I join the suit and then you're telling me the lawyer is going to get me a pristine Jersey CCW permit even though I only go into Newark to eat rodizio at the Ironbound? I'm still trying to figure out the goal here - I know you all want your CCW's - the question is how many of you all are normal every day get up and go to work citizens who want your CCW for the ability to defend yourself against an unknown criminal encounter that may or may not happen - Or are you all citing that you work in the hood/ghetto and have had people threaten you, etc and meet the "justifiable need" standard on our books - If it's the latter - it is not of much help to us "common folk" NJ citizens who just want to exercise our right.

LOL my point exactly - make sure to pay that death tax too -

My thing is the lawsuit is about proving the plaintiffs meet justifiable need - like you said, apply and get denied and join the suit. Sure I'll join the suit. my "justifiable need" is the 2nd Amendment and the need to protect myself and my family outside my home - am I supposed to have a judge not laugh at me in the courtroom after all Almeida, Tuminelli have gone through and the hoops and hurdles? Should I hire a thug and pay him $100 to stick me up somewhere so I have it on record I was assaulted? Would that make my permit get issued quickly if I join the suit? They need more press time not about actually getting their permits issued because they "meet the standard" but talking it up how absolutely ri-god-damn-diculous it is to have this in the first place - I shouldn't have to have a sworn affidavit proving I've had prior violent threats or confrontations in order to exercise my right Also wondering if Albert's CCW is unrestricted - As they are so rare in NJ - does it say "only during business hours" like the handful of security guards/PI's or does he have a regular LEO permit and can take his kids to the diner on Saturday morning in Stanhope and carry his pistol? Just my few thoughts about the case is all, again, very happy for Albert and the progress being made, I just want to know how they are going to burn down the asinine no issue-unless-you-get-mugged-raped-or-held-at-gun-point-and-hire-a-great-lawyer-because-no-one-gets-CCW standard in this state.

Trust me I believe in the cause - I just wonder what happens when Tuminelli's permit is issued - Screw press releases, we need the lawyers and Almeida/Tumminelli sucking up News 12, 101.5, News at 7, Good Day in New York airtime and making rounds on television and everywhere possible. The state thinks if they quietly issue a permit then it will go away as quietly. Not for the rest of us though.

^I agree x3 as well - if we didn't have P2P for handgun I'd probably be less likely to constantly be trying to buy them - I've had my FPID for 3+ years now and only bought a shotgun and rifle with it - but I have 6 pistols in that same time because I "couldn't waste a permit" Even now, my grandfather has an old Beretta he wants to give me that I could use a permit for, but I have 1 left and might tell him to hang on to it for a bit and buy one more - and when I move down south I'll just take it with me as a gift - in the south you can actually pass firearms down to your family members without getting a pistol permit.

But thats the problem - how I read it, thats not what the case was about - it was that Almeida claimed he met justifiable need after death threats and violence against him and his family, etc - I thought the other plaintiffs had similar complaints as well. Doesn't help the other 99% of us gun owners in this state who consider our justifiable need to be our need for self and family protection outside of our home, but if I am wrong someone please correct me and if this case is truly present to crush the justifiable need mandate then I applaud and support them continuing to go forward. If Albert was smart he'd get on every news cycle in the NJ/NY area - I'm sure the issuing PD and the state in general does not want the public to know that *gasp* a non LEO/non politician could actually be carrying a gun in THIS state for protection! Need to blow up the establishment thinking and get interviewed everywhere about it and speak out publicly about how we all deserve to have our rights back.

So what's your solution if people aren't going to move to free states? And to be honest at this point I think its more important to save the states that we actually have, in the past 10 years how many states like the Carolinas, Virginia, Georgia now this year, etc are "borderline toss up" - nothing more the progressives want than to turn Texas blue, its starting in Austin, and they are trying to spread that cancer through many metro areas.

This one is for you Rob:

I'd fucking take that American flag down and keep it for myself that is a disgrace and they do not deserve to fly my flag like that

Thanks! And my in-laws are on the Southern Outer Banks on the "crystal coast" - Pine Knoll Shores to be exact but everyone says Atlantic Beach/Morehead City if they aren't from the area - Last time when we were leaving our hotel in West Raleigh, took us exactly 3 hours door to door with stops - I guess the Northern OBX is a bit farther! There is a good shooting range in Havelock (sp?) which is approx 30 mins from my in-laws house, when we go down in October I plan to do some nice outdoor shooting and much more affordably than up here! Btw, stupid question but as long as I'm traveling with my firearms safely to NC, nothing to worry about in regards to bringing a couple pistols or a rifle to shoot while I'm staying there is there? I should have my UT CCW by then but if I don't, all is good right? I can't wait to buy ammo at Walmart and feel like a real American, lol.

^^Great points - we are also looking in the Raleigh-Durham metro area to move - we also looked at Asheville and still are considering Knoxville TN metro area but likely leaning to R-D (my in-laws have a beach house on the OBX so its conveniently 3 hours away if we are in R-D) We considered Virginia but its too close to the poisonous DC metro beltway area and its progressive policies, so even though I'd have a lot of Hillary signs in the area we are considering (Asheville is similar, in the city itself) - overall the state respects gun rights - We are listing our house in October, hope to be out of here within 12 months - We are buying a less expensive house (about 100k less than we could sell our house for) so we should do ok - Asheville is gorgeous but its a heck of a drive from the beach (we like the shore obviously, being from Jersey) - and its a lot of research moving to the mountains, and also not sure about how easy it is to find work out there. For now, my wife and I can work remote which is a plus, but we probably wouldn't keep our current jobs working remotely forever, which is why for us being outside a metro hub like R-D is probably best for us. Good luck man - maybe we'll be neighbors someday! -J

^^LOL Is it weird that I still am in love with my Glock and my PPQ at the same time? The M&P doesn't do it for me (feel in the hand) at all - the VP9 I also thought was an amazing pistol but was a bit rich for my blood and I just fell in love with the PPQ trigger.

Get whichever one you want to hit clays with - and buy an 18.5" barrel from Remington for $130 or so and keep it on for home defense use

Dude just buy Glock factory mags - you can get them around $20-25 shipped at most

Bumping this as I could use a sight pusher for my PPQ and possibly my Glock - I have debated if I want to just send in the Glock slide for $57 night sights installed or do a different set myself mustang69 pm sent

^While I hear you, the extra couple cents a round probably pays for the ammo box they come in (and I'd probably need one anyway) - although thanks for reminding me I have been meaning to try Freedom Munitions out - usually though what kills me with online is shipping, so places that give free shipping promotions are usually where I buy from (I'll make an order from Freedom to get my first coupon order in and get free shipping, thanks for mentioning them!) I'll still pick up one of these cans because I always like to have spares even when the bullets inside are gone (easy to refill) - already have probably 8-10 of these Plano boxes and they are really great for storing ammo -

^^Oh I surely would check it before traveling there - besides Reno, and Vegas, not many other places in Nevada lol

The Blazer Pistol cans are a good price too - 350 rds 9mm for $80 after rebate sounds pretty good

^^That is great to know! Obviously install cost comes into play - I do have the little plunger on my slide for the click-adjustable rear sight, I will watch the videos on the Dawson website and decide whether I want a FO set or a Tritium set - thanks for letting me know! Side note - I'll definitely also be getting a Dawson set (Fiber Optic) for my Taurus 1911 - I hate the sights on that gun and have been looking for a while for something better!

I will definitely look into the Dawson sights later on today, they have a great accuracy warranty for sure - someone also mentioned 10-8 Performance sights, their website is blocked at work for me though but I will check later (some "weapons" sites are blocked and some aren't - for example I can go to Walther Arms website, but not Glock Talk, Glock website, but not S&W, its pretty stupid) That was the only thing I was worried about was the POI/POA since its such an accurate shooter out of the box - I wouldn't want to lose that, and reading reviews on the Meprolight sights, and the Trijicon Bright and Tough, I'm finding some were having trouble getting back to zero. TFX's I haven't read that which is why I asked about them. I don't have a sight pusher but I wouldn't mind paying a gunsmith to press in a new rear sight for me. or if anyone on the boards has a pusher that would work for the PPQ that I could borrow

Great news, now all of us Vegas visitors can feel safe LOL