Ricky_Bobby

LMAO - You bet your ass you would - what if we all just carried our unloaded shotguns/rifles around open carry and unloaded? Maybe if a few thousand did this over a few months the "gun stigma" of NJ would be de-sensitized a bit.

I agree with you on shit hitting the fan, but to be honest I don't think its legal in this state to just have a truck gun ready to go - just re-reading the law on NJSP website someone correct me if I'm wrong: The firearm is unloaded The firearm is not directly accessible from the passenger compartment of the vehicle The ammunition is not directly accessible from the passenger compartment of the vehicle If the vehicle does not have a compartment separate from the passenger compartment, the firearm and ammunition must be in a locked container other than the vehicle's glove compartment or console Someone could argue that an unlocked case under your bench seat is directly accessible IMO. The way I interpret it, is if you have a minivan, wagon, SUV, Pickup Truck, basically anything besides a passenger car or coupe with a trunk, firearm and ammunition must be in a locked container, unloaded. Now, whether or not the analysts here want to take that as a locked range bag for both, or a separate ammo and gun case, thats fine with me - I probably would rather put the loaded mags with the locked ammo case and leave the locked rifle/pistol case separate so as to not put them together and be construed as a loaded weapon. Both my cars do not have separate trunks so I always lock my ammo boxes and range bag zippers personally

Yeah I mean I don't have much complaints - BulkAmmo has my FPID on file, SG never asked for it lol - the savings in shipping and obviously no sales tax saves me at least $20 each time I order ammo from them, and I usually get an extra pair of Plano Ammo boxes on my orders too to fill up - I've heard some bad things like people getting knocked for commercial charges if they are ordered excessive amounts of ammo in a years time it gets flagged, but I don't have that problem, I usually order probably $200 worth each order and like I said I wait for a free shipping promotion or use a month free trial of Buyers Club to get additional discount.

Thanks for the link on Daytona Tactical, real nice kits! I like the Magpul stock as well

For some reason I feel like the rape rates at Liberty are going to drop next year -

I guess the consensus says that the $30 Lula speedloader is cheaper than the possible gray area of the police LOL

^^^^Winner! I've actually ordered from Sportsmans Guide a ton in the past year - you actually can get a free Buyers Club 1 month membership too every 3 months, sort of like Amazon always giving you a 30 day free trial every few months. With that free month you get 5% off on ammo (although its already cheap), and 10% off on guns. So if you had a valid P2P and wanted something your LGS didnt have in stock that discount would help get you back the FFL transfer fee. I used it about 3-4 months back and bought about 1000 rounds of assorted (.45ACP, .357Mag, and 12 Gauge buckshot) and got a smoking deal. I usually order from BulkAmmo since their service and selection is great but their shipping is $16 or so each order. With Sportsmans Guide if I want until a promo I can get free shipping over $49, and the free trial makes them cheaper than BA too. They also have a nice 4-installment option too on gun purchases if you want to order a firearm and just pay it in 4 equal installments -

You also won't get a the PBA and FOP in this state etc to back a citizens right to carry here because those same democrat-leaning unions will put out the puff piece about how they can't have anarchy and any Joe Schmo wielding a gun in public and they are looking out for the interests of the lives of their officers, so we should all be disarmed, etc - Christie adding "serious threats" to the definition of justifiable need is a fucking joke. So should we all get together and make anonymous phone threats or show up in random masks at peoples houses toward one another on this forum so we can all qualify for CCW? The word reform used in the story is also a joke. Show me some reform with actual removal of loopholes and legistation - removing justifiable need, doing away with our own NICS and just using the federal NICS check, etc.

I don't have a trunk in my cars (SUV and a wagon) - but if I did I might split them up

The way I've understood it and I've read the law many many times on transport is that firearm is kept unloaded empty chamber etc, and locked separately from ammo - I usually lock up my pistol in its case, take the mags out of the pistol case and put them in one of my ammo boxes with a spare box or two of ammo and lock that up (I keep Plano lockable Field/Ammo boxes the green ones), put both in my trunk and I'm good to go. Someone please clarify if this is incorrect.

I know you said you added lube but whenever I get a new gun I strip it down as much as I can and clean/lube with my lubricant/cleaner of choice - I don't rely on what the factory put on the gun and like to do an inspection before first taking it out. Glad to hear it is sorted,

Good to know, thank you!

A few posts up, Kevin125 very nice post - I only have a few LEO friends and thinking back, I've never really had the in depth conversation about whether they think a "normal citizen" like myself should be able to lawfully carry, etc. I'm just theorizing but I think a lot of our police has been trained to think that less guns by citizens = less threats overall, less stressful traffic stops, etc - I could be wrong. I did have an off the cuff discussion a few years back with one of my friends and he said something to the effect that he "earned the right to carry" off duty, etc, which I agree with, but what makes him more deserving than me? Its like "being in the club", you know you're afforded certain things that normal citizens aren't, as an LEO. Again I'm not generalizing - but I've never had one of my friends tell me "You know what man, I do think that the non-issue status in NJ if you aren't LEO, PD or security with tons of red tape is ridiculous, it would be nice if it changed" - I get the effect of "I can and you can't, and thats just the way it is" Actually reached out to a friend of my father in law a couple years ago, shortly after getting my FPID and my first couple pistols as I wanted to practice with them and his wife worked at my father-in-laws office, and my FiL told me that her husband does a lot of shooting training and might be able to bring me to his range for the day, hes a CO - The wife actually texted my wife and asked me if we purchased the guns legally and asked if I was a legal owner - That kind of empty thinking is what got me wondering - Is it such a foreign thought to some police that normal citizens actually would own firearms and want to talk/train with them about it, or is it usually a conversation that only cops have with other cops because they are in the same "club" so to speak? Not looking to offend any LEO's of the forum and I know the majority are looking out for our rights and would love to train, talk shop about guns, etc (obviously there are some top notch guys training people at all the NJ ranges! 2 thumbs up!), just some thoughts I've had over the years in my interactions - but yes I wish the culture would change overall in this state, and I think it starts with the people who are carrying daily for work.

I'll have to do a google search next time I'm down there, the causeway going in to their section of the island is great though, plenty of guns and ammo shops, I probably wouldnt buy guns down there unless the deals were screaming bc the shop would have to ship to FFL, but I'll bring a couple Plano ammo boxes down with me next time and stock up on cartridges :thumbup:

^I was just checking Sig's website and saw the $400 kit, at $320 yes it is now a bad option, however, if you want additional compact sized mags expect $35-40 apiece - Going price I've seen on 320 Compact is approx $500+NICS+tax, comes with 2 mags and Medium grip module - I'm not sure if the mags are interchangeable on the 320's like they are on the Glocks, ex. using G19 extended mags as backup on a G26 - if so, that would be another reason to perhaps get the additional Compact gun and spend the extra $150 or so - obviously you dont have to wait for P2Ps if you do the conversion kit. And on the Compact Small sized module, for giggles I was looking for one the other day as I'm sure I would want it, I like to have a good wrap around the gun, the Compact Grip module is OOS on Sig's website and most other retailers, its not easy to find at any means. Let me know how you do and if you find one, I'm still considering a 320 in the coming months.

^I'm also a fan of the P320 platform - great striker for the price point from Sig - only thing is that by the time you buy compact sized mags, compact barrel and grip module dont you almost have as much invested as a second gun? I haven't really priced it out, just curious.

^True although many of the standard Gen 4's come with 3 mags now, I think maybe some of the smaller baby Glocks are the only ones that still come with 2 from the factory - You guys aren't kidding about Glocks being hard to come by nowadays, been in the market for a G26 and a G19 and now I know why they seem to be in short supply -

They are on southern end of OBX (I've realized its a hell of a long place from top to bottom lol) - Pine Knoll Shores/Morehead City area, about 20 mins from Beaufort - If yours are close as well let me know what ranges there are - next time I go down I'll definitely bring a couple of my guns with me and the wife and I can do some shooting, probably pick up some cheap ammo at Wally World as well!

Nothing wrong looking with that 90/22 stock to me - as long as barrel of your Ruger has enough length to make overall length legal. It definitely is......interesting looking I will say that.

You're absolutely right - it hasn't been an issue to date (knock on wood) like I said its literally one letter in the middle of my ridiculously hard to pronounce and non-common Czech last name, address, DOB, height, weight, etc all fine, but will probably get it changed in the future - after I get my next couple p2p's picked up I'll tell the officer and probably have to drop both forms off again in order to change it. You only surrender the replacement card when the new one arrives, right? As long as I can purchase as usual in the meantime, I'm ok with that. Again, probably my mistake - just one of those things that has been bothering me.

Great discussion guys and yes I agree with all the points on the build portion, it will topple my budget however, even with a sick sale on RRA's stuff just the compliance work will put me over, in comparison with the entry level, compliant "out of the box" AR's. I'm most likely going to go with the Sport II or 556, I'm a big fan of Ruger's 2 Million Gun pledge to the NRA this year. That way I can learn the platform and add to it as I go - when the budget allows for unlimited build money and I'm more comfortable on the platform, I'll definitely do a build the second time around. Then I can give the out of the box gun to my wife to shoot and just go crazy with a build in the future. She wants to have a baby in the next couple years so I'll need to do something with my time! LOL

If the website is correct, RRA is having a nice deal right now at 18% off parts and rifle kits - I just emailed them to be sure it was good on all parts except those on special or clearance, but I can at least get half my build started with their parts and always finish up down the line - nice discount and I always liked RRA.

^Yeah I mean I'm not looking balls to the wall custom - I build my guns like I build my cars and motorcycles, very OEM+ which in effect would be very factory looking with some small upgrades as details - I'm also a traditionalist with looks as well, and definitely looking to build a .223/5.56 rifle 1:9 twist 16" barrel, etc. OTOH, something like the Ruger appeals to me out of the box - save for wanting to put a pinned/welded muzzle brake on there, and get some 15/30 Pmags, it ticks many of the boxes I'd want on a build. But you're right, the build is the fun....

UPDATE 6/15/16: I'll be going with one of the budget models (S&W, Ruger, Colt etc) in the coming weeks/months just as its easier for me to start learning the platform with one of the proven entry level models. See my most recent post in regards to re-pinning the "fixed" stocks on compliant models. Well one of my goals this year (election years are always special, every time I hear Bernie or Hillary or heck even Trump speak I'm just itching to do something special with my firearms budget) is to add an AR to the arsenal, I'm decently handy and disassemble/reassemble and change parts out on my other guns, etc, so I wouldn't mind doing a build, would be nice to spread the parts purchases out over a few months, hunt for some deals, etc, and get to know my firearm. I actually just emailed Steve @ Monmouth Arms about this but thought I'd post here too. That being said, I'm kind of getting the feeling that a lot of builds aren't necessarily done with as much budget in my mind, correct me if I'm wrong. Its really skys the limit and making custom to your specs. Would I consider one of the NJ Compliant models of the Ruger AR556 or the S&W MP15 Sport II for the approx $700 OTD price on the market now? Absolutely, to me that is a great value, and even down the line if I wanted to add a few custom items to it to "make it my own", I could do that. I've just been roughly pricing some of the parts kits between stripped lowers, lower parts, grips, stocks, upper receivers, and barrel parts and in my rough estimations I am coming up with definitely a lot more than the "going rate" for one of the popular entry level AR's. I'm not really a build it cheap kind of guy (I do believe you get what you pay for) so if I'll get better quality at that price point for one of the big names, I'm ok with that. Should I still consider building, or maybe save it for the future once I'm more familiar with the platform and just go off the shelf for the "first one"? Any input is appreciated, some great links on parts, in the stickied thread as well.

Took me 2.5 months when I got my initial FPID - Thank God the address, DOB, marks, etc, matched, one letter is wrong on my last name however (trust me it wasnt misspelled on the application or my Drivers license that they took) - I was so excited to get my ID and permits that I didn't notice it till I left - Hasn't been an issue but one of those stupid things that bothers me - like the person that was typing the name couldn't double check the work?