124gr9mm

They were being funny. Ammo is very expensive now...

That's unreal...

Unreal. Kel-Tec Sub 2000. Looks like the idiot had finger firmly on the trigger while charging the action. Thankfully the barrel was pointed at the ground...

Absolutely. Bring whatever you have to the fight. If all you have is a .22 (or if your .22 is all that's within arms reach when you need it!!!) then use it. I personally wouldn't limit myself to .22 for home defense, but if a bad guy broke in I wouldn't bypass the the .22 and fight empty-handed because I thought my .22 wouldn't be effective.

My experience has been the same. I'm not picky, so i've been able to find 9mm, but options for .224 have been very limited, particularly 55 grain stuff.

In my opinion 38sp, 380, and 9mm are all reasonable calibers to use for home defense. I think a lot of people have a single pistol in a drawer somewhere (maybe passed down from a relative) that they dust off and shoot at a range once every few years. If someone can put any of those calibers into the center mass of a bad guy it would be effective. I personally went with 9mm because I needed my first pistol to wear multiple hats (home defense, sport/competition, carry (potentially), etc) and I felt a full sized 9mm (Glock in my case) was the way to go. I've since added a revolver in .38 Special/.357 Magnum because I think having a revolver is a good idea, and I have a pistol with .45 acp and 9mm slides that another family member uses for sport/competition. I have nothing against .380 acp, but for me it doesn't make sense to get one. There's nothing special the caliber offers that the others don't cover. We can't carry in NJ, and if we could I'd just get a sub compact 9mm. I understand the 'bigger is better" concept that helped to boost the popularity of 10mm, but i think the majority of gun owners would have challenges managing recoil and keeping the "bigger" calibers on target.

Agree. I buy powder, primers, and bullets even when factory ammo is cheap/available. My daughter and I shot a Steel Challenge match in February right before everything closed down due to COVID, and some of the young guys were teasing me because I was picking up brass. They said "9mm is so cheap now you're only saving 3 cents per round. It's not worth the time to reload". Guarantee that they're not laughing right now.

I switched to online a few years ago (around the same time I started reloading). Prior to that I'd wait for family trips and pick up ammo at places like Cabela's or even WalMart in other states. When I need something more immediately I'll make the trip to Sloatsburg NY and stop by Master Arms or Davis Sports.

Good luck. Share some pictures when you finally have the pistol in hand!

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Respectfully, referencing an urban combat scenario doesn't really support a "case closed" home defense argument.

Threads like this are always good for spirited debate on what's "the best" gun for home defense. I'll submit that the best gun is the one you can get to before the bad guy gets a chance to hurt you/your family. Depending on when/where you encounter said bad guy could mean that "the best" gun isn't available, so you'll have to rock whatever you can . I really like my KSG and have cycled many hundreds of rounds through it, so I have no issues if it's the first thing in my hands when something goes bump. If I'm startled from my sleep the closest gun is a 9mm pistol (with light) which i think would serve me fine. If I'm passing by the gun safe on the way to a bad guy (and time permits) I may holster the pistol and pick up something chambered in .223/5.56. The if/then statements beyond that could get entertaining, but my point is that I don't have a particular kind of gun designated for "home defense" with several of them staged around the place. I have guns in different places that can access as needed. Rock what you got. If you only have one gun in the house, get more...

Do they have the patience/temperament to do a bit of polishing to the slide? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W1SzhZoXuE

Very important. Given how slow the NICS system has been recently it's not likely that OP would be able pay for and take home a gun from the gun show. For example, a couple of years ago I went to Cabela's in PA on a Saturday morning and bought a bolt rifle. I got there at 10:00 am and the NICS check completed in just over an hour, so I was able to take the rifle home with me. I doubt anyone will get that kind of turnaround for a while.

Are you suggesting that you should sue them because they don't want to sell to people in NJ? Might be more beneficial to focus time and resources on changing the shitty laws here than trying to hurt other people outside the state as well.

This sounds reasonable...

Based on comments in the original link it looks like that gun shop is getting regular deliveries, so it might be worth it for people who are short on ammo to check them out from time to time: "UPS and Fedex are off today. We have 6 pallets of order being picked up tomorrow" "Blazer Brass (9mm) is back in stock. Federal training ammo as well."

To be fair, it looks like the guy started it as a no-reserve auction with a penny minimum bid, so the market is driving the price on it...

Peaceful paintball guns can turn into looting/rioting paintball guns VERY quickly if you dont' keep an eye on them...

As the others have mentioned, the difference in ammo price allows you to put a LOT of rounds downrange for a LOT less money. With the .22 you don't have much recoil, so you can focus on fundamentals rally concentrate on the drills you run. As I mentioned earlier, conversion kits can be a bit finicky with ammo, so you'll get practice clearing jams/mis-feeds, etc.

Agree. I think the conversion kits are good for occasional practice where you don't mind clearing jams every now and then, but if you want something that will go bang every time without hunting for specific ammo, I think a dedicated .22 makes more sense. I had a conversion kit on an EAA Witness that i taught a couple of my kids to shoot on, and the fact that there were occasional FTE's, or FTF's was actually a GOOD thing. Taught them how to quickly and safely clear and cycle the gun and keep firing. Once my daughter started doing Steel Challenge and other competitive matches I got her a Ruger Mark IV.

That would be a fun video. Kind of a tortoise and hare thing...

I hate that mentality.

The officer is wrong: https://www.njsp.org/firearms/transport-hollowpoint.shtml "Provided certain conditions are met, a sportsman may transport and use hollow point ammunition. There are no restrictions preventing a sportsman from keeping such ammunition at his home. N.J.S.A 2C:39-3f(1) limits the possession of hollow nose ammunition. However, there is a general exception that allows for the purchase of this ammunition but restricts the possession of it to specified locations. This exception provides that: (2) Nothing is sub section f (1) shall be construed to prevent a person from keeping such ammunition at his dwelling, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, or from carrying such ammunition from the place of purchase to said dwelling or land . . . [N.J.S.A 26:39-3g (2)]. Thus a person may purchase this ammunition and keep it within the confines of his property. Sub section f (1) further exempts from the prohibited possession of hollow nose ammunition "persons engaged in activities pursuant to N.J.S.A 2C:39-6f. . . ." N.J.S.A 26:39-3f. (1). Activities contained in N.J.S.A 26:39-6f. can be broken down as follows: A member of a rifle or pistol club organized under rules of the National Board for the Promotion of Rifle Practice and which filed its charter with the State Police; A person engaged in hunting or target practice with a firearm legal for hunting in this State; A person going directly to a target range, and; A person going directly to an authorized place for "practice, match, target, trap or skeet shooting exhibitions." As with other ammunition and firearms, a sportsman would have to comply with the provisions of N.J.S.A 2C:39-6f and g when transporting hollow nose ammunition to a target range. The ammunition should be stored in a closed and fastened container or locked in the trunk of the motor vehicle in which it is being transported. The course of travel should be as direct as possible when going to and leaving from the target range with "only such deviations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances." N.J.S.A 2C:39-6g."

Good luck. It's a bit absurd that you have to go through all those hoops, but it's good that your local PD is willing to work with you a bit. They could have just shredded it and made you start over.