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I dunno. Once they're in, they're in for life. They can give zero fucks about what anyone thinks.

I don't hold out any hope that I'll ever see any kind of carry laws passed in NJ, but I'm VERY glad that these douchebags are being forced to "defend" their position.

It's the top headline at CNN right now. Shooter in deadly Illinois rampage had a gun with a laser sight, witness says Martin opened fire with a Smith & Wesson handgun at the Henry Pratt Co. in the Chicago suburb of the Aurora, shooting at terrified employees before engaging in the gunbattle with responding officers. Martin was being let go Friday from his job at the company, police said. They did not give more details about why he was losing his job or whether he'd been notified before the shooting. 'He was just shooting everybody' An employee who survived the shooting, told CNN affiliate WLS that the gunman was a coworker. He was "running down the aisle" with a pistol that had a green laser sight on it, John Probst said. "As soon as I saw the green thing and heard the shots, we left," said Probst, who's worked at the plant for 40 years. "He started opening up on the room, and he was just shooting everybody." They mention Smith and Wesson, so we'll see if S&W rolls over and stops selling the gun the shooter used.

In response to reports that Trump will declare a National Emergency to get wall funding, Pelosi implied that the move would pave the way for a Democrat President to go after guns by declaring a National Emergency. Building a wall and a Constitutional Right are very different things, but she's an old, crazy lady so it's possible that she's tipping her hand at the agenda for the Democratic party going forward. I think she'll definitely drive up gun sales, so retailers will be happy. i hope she's just posturing... https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pelosi-warns-republicans-trumps-national-emergency-sets-precedent-for-future-democratic-administrations

LOL!! You may want to look up the definition of trolling. Go ahead and click on the link for my screenname and come back with some examples of where I've done any trolling on this (or any other) forum. Did you read any of the other posts on this thread?

Huh? Who's trolling???? There's a HORRIFIC incident where a NYPD cop get killed and another wounded by friendly fire. Members of a gun forum are discussing it and questioning it. NYPD has a history with shootings that seem like spray and pray events and the latest details of this shooting make it seem like this one was as well. Are you saying that only cops can raise concerns about that??????

The Post has a more descriptive chain of events: " Gorman, 31, and two fellow officers were the first to push into the mobile store, which they found abandoned — until Ransom sprang from the back room, pointing the fake gun at them and pulling the trigger, authorities said. Assuming Ransom’s firearm to be real and simply jammed, the trio took no chances and retreated to the street, where they took up tactical positions along with Simonsen and four other cops, according to police. Still holding his gun high and dry-firing it, Ransom emerged from the store to find himself in the middle of two waves of blue, with a group of cops including Gorman to his right, and Simonsen among a squad to his left, sources said. “He’s coming out of the store and they’re down the block to the right and left,” said NYPD Chief of Department Terence Monahan at a Wednesday briefing. “You’re investigating a possible crime and all of a sudden somebody’s pointing what is ­believed to be a firearm at you.” Seven officers opened fire, squeezing off a total of 42 rounds. Gorman fired 11 times. Simonsen shot twice. “Be advised, I’m shot,” a cop, presumably Gorman, can be heard telling a dispatcher in a police radio recording of the drama, posted to Twitter by @NYScanner. “Please set up a route going to Jamaica [Hospital].” Though the recording is apparently partially redacted, Simonsen’s voice is never heard above the din of gunfire and frantic calls of “Shots fired!” The mayhem was over in seconds." https://nypost.com/2019/02/13/how-the-tragic-friendly-fire-death-of-nypd-detective-brian-simonsen-unfolded/

So nobody is allowed to talk about this "because cops"? Nobody is saying that the cops are bad people, but NYPD has a reputation that preceeds them and the information that's available thus far paints a pretty bad scenario. This is from the Daily News: https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-metro-cop-shot-friendly-fire-20190213-story.html "One police source indicated the body cam video taken from five of the officers on the scene captured a chaotic scene where bullets were fired frantically — and randomly. “You don’t want to see that footage,” said the source. “It was like the Wild West out there. From the cameras, you can’t even see who they are shooting at." "Neither of the wounded cops was mistaken for a suspect during the frenzied gunfire, cops said. Gorman — who also had no vest on — was wounded in the hip and underwent surgery Wednesday at Jamaica Medical Center, where his condition was stable.. ” It's a horrible situation but that doesn't mean it can't be discussed.

Yeah, on the surface it seems really bad. It may make more sense when more details emerge and the timeline is more clear.

Agree.

Not to split hairs here, but that's kind of what an add-on is. An addition to.

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/new-jersey-swat-team-fatally-shoots-retired-nypd-article-1.2716181 and https://patch.com/new-jersey/barnegat-manahawkin/state-exonerates-ocean-swat-team-member-who-shot-killed-former-nypd I dunno. Doesn't seem like a cut and dry case of trigger-happy SWAT team. Almost reads like suicide by cop. Yes, the SWAT guy shot the guy 8 times, but in another article it says one of the rounds hit the revolver they recovered, so the dead guy had a gun.

Figured I'd share my experience shooting at Reloaderz for the first time. The range is located about 2 miles from my house, so I felt obligated to stop in at least once. Here's a blow by blow: - I went in around 8:00 on Friday evening. There was one couple in the range shooting and several employees, but otherwise it was just me. VERY friendly girl at the counter greeted me as soon as I entered. I told her it was my first visit, so she directed me to a kiosk where I sign waivers and input my information. There's a safety video on a loop playing on a big screen TV that I was encouraged to watch if I was a new shooter, but it wasn't mandatory. - When that was done I went back to the girl and paid my $10 to get my 'Reloaderz Card" that I will scan on each subsequent visit. This was the first negative thing in my mind. It irked me a little that I had to pay $10 as essentially a registration fee. I don't need a friggin plastic card as I can share my license of FID if they need proof of ID each time. This is simply a way to get an extra $10 from everyone that walks through the door. Low-class IMO. I showed them my license at one point, but never my FID. - After I got my card I went over to the sales/rental counter. I had my own supplies, so the only thing I needed was a target (I bought one as I had a roll of 3 inch sticker targets with me). i told them I'd only need 30 minutes, so they took my new Reloaderz ID and lead me to the range. I expected to pay to the 1/2 hour and the target at that point but they said that i pay as I leave. I thought this was interesting. - Wen I got into the range area they lead me to my port and started the timer. There were at least 4 range officers there and only the one other couple, but the RO's didn't hover over me. I'm very careful on the range so they pretty much left me alone. I know they were watching because one them observed that I was saving my .38 special brass and he offered to bring a mat over when I switched to 9mm. I thought that was cool. - The target carrier system is brand new, but the touchscreen is already showing signs of damage from muzzle flashes (I guess it's mounted too far forward) so I suspect that they will need attention before too long. I could just be me, but the carrier system seemed to be hung pretty low. i was using a basic silhouette target and at 15 yards I felt like I was shooting downwards to hit center mass. - Target system gave me a warning when my time was about up, so that was nice. RO's had been chatting with me a bit about my equipment, and other people shooting had left, so they said I could hang for a few extra minutes if I wanted. I thought that was pretty nice. - After I packed up I went back to the sales counter and paid. I practically had the place to myself and the staff (from RO's to sales people) were extremely nice. I typically don't like shooting at indoor public ranges but I enjoyed this outing. I brought a 9mm semi-auto, a revolver, and a shotgun, and while the RO's were watching me but they didn't do a bag, weapon, or ammo inspection at any point (I think I heard someone complain that another new range was doing this). Overall I'd say it was a very nice trip to the range.

Your wife is arguing a theoretical point. Nobody has ever been arrested/charged with the scenario she's describing.

Sorry to hear this. Kudos to you for following through and preventing other people from getting ripped off like you did.

I have no dog in this hunt, and I appreciate your contributions to the forum, but why are you fighting to "be right" here. I mentioned the firing pin channel so I'll reply that yes, you identified a possible culprit, but in my case totally incorrect. I don't slop it with solvent right side up or upside down. I agree that it's not necessary to frequently do a total takedown, but that doesn't mean that one isn't called for or appropriate from time to time.

Since you asked, I've taken mine fully down twice. Once was to install a 3.5 pound trigger bar. Second time was several thousand rounds later when I started getting fail to fire due to light primer strikes. Interwebs told me that the most common cause was dirty firing pin channel. They were right. Otherwise I do the standard field strip when I notice my fingers getting dirty after shooting.

That comment was from 2010. A LOT has changed since then...

Same here. OP said a LOT in his first post, but I didn't really get the point...

Horrible story. I hope the cops pull through. To me it seems like 4:15 pm is a poor time to do something like that. Maybe that's the only time the guy was home, but i thought it was more common to do that kind of thing very early in the mornign to catch people off guard??

Interesting. Do you know how cold it was? I typically don't do a full takedown unless I'm at home (i don't want to lose any pins at the range).

Huh?

Thanks for sharing this tennturk. I've been getting into precision shooting and I have the Mason Dixon series bookmarked on my calendar. I'll definitely be shooting with you this spring. I'll message you if I have any questions.

The founders were understandably VERY worried about the dangers of a standing army and how dagerous it could be if used by a tyrannical government against its citizens. Here's a quote from Federalist 29: " If circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist. [Federalist 29] " So we fast-forward to current times when that standing army DOES indeed exist (and has helped to secure our freedom), and we find ourselves at exactly that point where Hamilton wants the people to be well armed. He even goes on to recommend regular training so that you know how to use your guns! Little more can reasonably be aimed at, with respect to the people at large, than to have them properly armed and equipped; and in order to see that this be not neglected, it will be necessary to assemble them once or twice in the course of a year. [Federalist 29] I prefer a weekly trip to the range...

I liked it. It's not confrontational/combative so it allows for rational discussion with people who are currently on the fence or simple "have no clue about guns"...