Spawne32

True, and I fully expect that Murphy is and will continue to be challenged in court on a lot of these EO's. But I think a lot of these arguments I see raised are silly, or at least border on silly. The idea that a scarf or bandanna or even a medical grade mask is somehow violating your constitutional rights is at least. I don't see people marching with pitch forks when OSHA requires you to wear a mask on the job and shave your beard for it to be properly form fitted to your face.

If we were in court right now, I would be making the argument that "supporting the general welfare" means following the direction of experts on the subject matter of the national emergency (be it medical or military, etc) since there is no reasonable expectation that any one particular person would know the truly correct course of action by themselves alone. In that regard I would say for the purposes of a pandemic, it would be within the powers of the state to require some sort of face covering in public spaces if experts agree that it is supporting the general welfare. Although a judge could see that entirely differently. I think the reason why they cannot provide them and advise ANY sort of face covering is because they barely are able to supply them to the first responders in the field dealing with the crisis let alone the entire population. Most rational people would not take issue with a face covering if it meant lessening the risk of people becoming infected. Court's use the "reasonable person standard" all the time to judge these types of things.

10th amendment 10th amendment 10th amendment of the constitution of the united states of america. why is it that whenever someone claims they are upholding the constitution they like to ignore select amendments of their choosing? At any rate if you read the article it plainly states the following... And as such, many of the orders being issued during this crisis will and have been challenged in court and decisions will be made regarding their constitutional validity. Personally I don't feel that being required to wear a face covering in stores during a time of national emergency is in any way violating my constitutional rights. There are plenty of other things to be up in arms about, such as shutting down gun stores in an attempt to curb gun sales.

You are blaming me for the 10th amendment? I'm getting old but I'm not that old. lol The current issue at hand is not whether it is constitutional to require a face covering during a pandemic to prevent its spread, it's the people who suddenly fancy themselves medical professionals and law scholars overnight on the internet.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/18/states-police-power-coronavirus-135826 https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/what-are-curfew-laws.html

No one has the authority to force him to wear anything, not even pants.

I think you run that risk at any time regardless of a pandemic or not. I don't think anyone has the balls to take it that far for fear of the response. Even if 50% of gun owners turn in their firearms, I don't think they would be willing to risk the lives of law enforcement to forcibly take the other 50%.

I would assume people with PhD's and Masters degrees in medicine and infectious diseases?

I don't know what acceptable is at this point, especially during the coronavirus shutdown. You really think I would get anywhere with that?

I know, you should have seen the level of care the agent from UI had on my phone interview. I was trying to explain stuff to her regarding my claim and she was like "I don't care".

I think were well beyond logic with all of this. lol I think the problem is you can't control where the crowds gather easily. A lot of the rules are being based off of what's going on in north jersey too. We don't have as many issues with crowds gathering in public parks as our population is more sporadic down here. I'm more concerned about the utter nonsense going on with unemployment right now. People that have applied in the beginning of march still haven't received benefits yet because they can't get through on the phones or get responses online. I still haven't seen that additional $600 either, and now I'm told that they are unsure when that money is going to be given out.

Well there is obviously flaws in all of this. I'm not sure how the f some of these stores are getting "essential" exemptions. Rita's water ice was considered an essential service, they had 100 people outside it the other day.

Well public projects would encompass township utilities, road repairs/construction, etc. Which is considered critical infrastructure, would it not?

I fail to see the problem.

Yeh I figured as much. They were saying 10-12 months before the shutdown, I imagine its well over a year now.

Quick question regarding the FID process. After you do the background check and make that payment, I know there still is a $5 payment required by the issuing police department. Do you pay that when you pick up the FID or before? I have not been able to get any answers from the local PD regarding this during the shutdown.

Saw this one on the news, swear people have no shame anymore. "Coronavirus scammers use fake 'pop-up' COVID-19 testing sites to steal DNA, personal information in Kentucky" https://6abc.com/6078776/?utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3P3tpViN-AAMB3h8ryK84JbVU2oAv8cpMGvrPFFLsOWbQPJY3NTP07JiQ

The news was is saying that about 12 people an hour are dying from COVID in NYC alone. That's pretty damn insane if you ask me.

The FDA approved the use of hydroxychloroquine under an emergency use order, so we will know soon enough its effectiveness I would think.

Yeh, I just put him on ignore, no need to even dignify people like that with responses. Hopefully the weather is decent this weekend and I can breath the fresh air for a bit. lol

My apologies but that bit about comparing Fauci to Josef Mengele was just pretty damn sickening.

I have been a registered member of the board since 2017. I have multiple posts related to guns, and I have no agenda other than being bored and stuck in the house for 3 weeks. Comparing a guy who developed treatments that saved thousands of lives and has dedicated his life to that cause of helping people, to a disgusting Nazi officer who conducted horrific experiments on Jews in concentration camps is down right fucking disgusting, and you're a disgusting human being for even suggesting it who I need not worry about even responding to. I'd rather carry a conversation with someone who has a few brain cells. 3 Month's ago if you heard the name Anthony Fauci you wouldn't even know who it was. I'll read them, several of them seem to be quoting the original french study however.

lol That's the single most absurd thing I have heard this month. You can come out from the bomb shelter now and breath the fresh air for a bit.

Again, where is the evidence? Haven't seen a single post on here that has a shred of evidence other than boisterous claims of it being the miracle drug. If you can point me to a specific medical study that shows demonstrable evidence of its effectiveness on coronavirus, ill change my opinion on the subject, but I don't think any of you can because your seeing it on twitter.

For malaria and lupus...not when you have a viral pneumonia...