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I was thinking about this new law, and how many thousands of law abiding people, make that tens of thousands, became felons today, and have no clue. They became felons because of a new law that will have ZERO effect in stopping a mass shooter. I know of a few casual shooters, who go to the range every few months, who know nothing of this new mag law. What happens to these people when they take their 15 rounders to the range this week, or over Christmas vacation, or next month when things are slow, and they find out they're looking at a 4th degree felon for possessing and transporting something they've done legally for the last decade or two? Will ignorance be the top defense used if they get caught? Will Murphy and his buddy AG be sending out undercover LEO to survey the ranges? Will a few of these unsuspecting new felons being prosecuted finally wake up the gun owners in the state to force Trenton to stop this unconstitutional BS? I know, that last line will never happen.... one can dream...

When is that going to start?

You lied. Don't you know 15 round mags are capable of mass shootings, while 10 rounders are completely harmless? 15 rounders are hazardous to many people's health. Go ask Murphy, he'll tell you!

With really loose pants, so you can get it into the waistband.

Crap... that means I'm a felon every time I start my truck... But I'll listen to that Rock and Roll 'till they take me away in cuffs.... "out of my cold, dead hands!"

Most of his recent posts are. Really makes me question his professionalism. Those type of posts are totally irresponsible and unprofessional. I would expect some Redneck to post something like that, but NOT an attorney. I asked the question earlier, is there any slim possibility he knows something the AG is going to do, or is this just true fear mongering?

Ha Ha, I used that as an exact example with wifey with my Paslode framing gun, when she mentioned how "dangerous" guns were. I fired a few framing nails, then asked her what that would do to someone's head? Definitely gave her pause and got her to think. I also told her, guess what, I can open carry the Paslode where ever I want, how's that?

I've never actually sat in one of his seminars. Can anyone here who has, get a pulse if this new alarmist position would be in normal line with his demeanor? I can usually "read" people if I spend a little time with them, but haven't seen him in person. Just reading the latest stuff he's posted really looks like it's almost approaching tin foil territory, unless he really has some clear insider information, and if that's the case, that could really turn out interesting? Any guesses?

A few more of his Facebook posts, for you fear lovers reading enjoyment:

I just checked, Nappen's Facebook page has his office in Eatontown. Is that the same guy?

That is a really good point. There are many handguns (and rifles for that matter) that can take 15+ round mags, but the LEOs never went after any owners because of it, after the 15 law was passed. That makes Nappen's Facebook post even more irresponsible and unprofessional. To try and fear monger now that LEOs will be going door to door, when it NEVER happened after the 15 round law, makes him look questionable. In my opinion, this type of posting kills any legitimacy he has in my eyes. He'd be someone I'd be worried about calling.

Ahhh, but THIS time it will be different.... according to some here.

I approach it a similar way. I have all types of power tools, and when doing a project, I'll have them all out and around. When she makes a reference on how "dangerous" guns are, I just tell her, "do you have any idea how much I could hurt someone with my Milwaukee cordless drill or recip saw? You feel safe around them when I'm using them, right?" That usually gets her to reconsider...

That's what I would guess they did. They polled 4000 across the country. How were they selected, what demographic, gender, age, etc? We all know polls are designed to get the required result the person paying for them wants.

Ha Ha... yeah, I know... it's a long shot!

This is exactly what I believe. If someone made an effort to limit them to 10, the LEOs would be fine, and just walk away. How can they make a judgement call of what's "permanent"? True, the layers wouldn't be worth the time or money, just to jail someone for having a $15 "high capacity" mag in their possession.

This is the correct answer. Nappen knows he can use scare tactics to help his bank account, so it's not surprising to see him do that Facebook post. I think gun owners need to do a better job with reading comprehension and understanding, and NOT blindly follow a guy because he "claims" he's God's gift to all legal gun issues. He's just ONE opinion in many. Exactly. In my opinion, Nappen just making that Facebook post makes me think LESS of him and truly makes me question his expertise. Almost puts him in the Used car, snake oil salesman category.

The grace period was 180 days, and the 10th is day 180, so my opinion is that you're good until 11:59PM on the 10th. On the 11th, at 12:01 AM, you're a felon. Amazing what one day makes....

Ha Ha... That sounds exactly like my house. I told wifey, my job is to protect you... end of discussion! Exactly what I was referring to... Not too much, some guys in this thread need to put on their big boy pants when needed.

Yes, plus it's not a detachable mag.

...."Look for the same approach in New Jersey. Neither Governor Phil Murphy or AG Grewal has any interest in going door-to-door looking for 15-round magazines. And when the State Police’s Lt. Schafer says, “We will enforce the law of the state,” that means they’ll charge you if they happen find +10-round magazines in your car during a traffic stop. Or if someone breaks into your home and they happen to see an offending magazine when they investigate. So look for New Jersey’s gun owners to respond to their state’s latest Second Amendment infringement much as New Yorkers did. By flipping an invisible bird at the Governor and legislature and claiming all of their standard capacity magazines had been lost in an unfortunate series of tragic boating accidents.

Definitely a show I'd like to see, but can't go, as I have a 4 legged creature that needs attention.

Ha I was thinking about that today, and remembered the movie The Big Short. The first time I saw it was on a airplane trip, so I missed some bits and pieces. We watched it again just now. It's really very similar what's going on now and what happened back in 2008. The situation now is even worse, not as much with housing, but with everything else. Definitely gives me a lot to think (and plan) about.

Screen caps: ABSTRACT We assessed gun ownership rates in 2013 across the USA and the association between exposure to a social gun culture and gun ownership. We used data from a nationally representative sample of 4000 US adults, from 50 states and District of Columbia, aged >18 years to assess gun ownership and social gun firearm policy information was obtained from the Brady Law Center and Injury Prevention and Control Center. https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/injuryprev/early/2015/06/09/injuryprev-2015-041586.full.pdf?keytype=ref&ijkey=doj6vx0laFZMsQ2

Here's a better link, does it work? https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/gun-ownership-rates-by-state/