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The best part, there's no shelf life on it!

Ha ha... wifey does the same thing. If the box doesn't say Kohl's or Amazon on it, and the UPS guy looks like he's getting a hernia, she just says "More? Don't you have enough already?". These women just don't get the "Be Prepared" motto.

Shhhhhh... you're not suppose to tell her...

I believe it's anyone in possession in the state. Doesn't matter where you're a resident.

So, how many cases did you order?

How come when I quickly glance at this thread title, it makes me think of this:

I received an email from them stating this deal ends today.... Last chance to stock up!

Wow, what comes next, full blown cavity searches and checking your posting history on Facebook?

Actually, there IS a firearm registration in the new mag law, however it's voluntary. The State Police have released a form if you were really interested in doing so. This might be what you heard about "registration". 7. (New section) a. A person who legally owns a firearm 2[with a fixed magazine capacity holding up to 15 rounds which is incapable of being modified to accommodate 10 or less rounds and was purchased on or] as set forth in paragraph (1) or (2) of this subsection2 prior to the effective date of P.L. , c. (C. ) (pending before the Legislature as this bill) shall register that firearm within one year from the effective date2[this act]: (1) a firearm with a fixed magazine capacity holding up to 15 rounds which is incapable of being modified to accommodate 10 or less rounds; or (2) a firearm which only accepts a detachable magazine with a capacity of up to 15 rounds which is incapable of being modified to accommodate 10 or less rounds2 . 2b.2 In order to register the firearm 2pursuant to subsection a. of this section2, the owner shall: (1) complete a registration statement, in the form to be prescribed by the Superintendent of the State Police; 3and3 (2) 3[pay a registration fee of $50 per firearm; and (3)]3 produce for inspection a valid firearms purchaser identification card, permit to carry a handgun, or permit to purchase a handgun. 2[b.] c.2 The information provided in the registration statement established pursuant to subsection 2[a.] b.2 of this section shall include, but shall not be limited to: the name and address of the registrant; the number or numbers on the registrant's firearms purchaser identification card, permit to carry a handgun, or permit to purchase a handgun; and the make, model, and serial number of the firearm being registered. Each registration statement shall be signed by the registrant, and the signature shall constitute a representation of the accuracy of the information contained in the registration statement. 2[c.] d.2 An applicant shall register the firearm in the law enforcement agency of the municipality in which the applicant resides or, if the municipality does not have a municipal law enforcement agency, any State Police station. e.2 Within 60 days of the effective date of P.L. , c. (C. ) (pending before the Legislature as this bill), the superintendent shall prepare the form of registration statement as described in subsection 2[b.] c.2 of this section and shall provide a suitable supply of statements to each organized full-time municipal police department and each State Police station. 2[e.] f.2 One copy of the completed registration statement shall be returned to the registrant, a second copy shall be sent to the 2[Superintendent] superintendent2, and, if the registration takes place at a municipal police department, a third copy shall be retained by that municipal police department. 2[f.] g.2 The heir or estate of an owner of a firearm which has been registered pursuant to this section shall within 90 days after the owner's death dispose of that firearm in accordance with section 5 of P.L. , c. (C. ) (pending before the Legislature as this bill)1 2.2 https://legiscan.com/NJ/text/A2761/id/1812547

Looks kinky, but only comes with 5 round mags. Is that enough firepower? I think there might be a aftermarket 10 rounder too.

Hidden is a good thing. So give me some ideas on where someone could hide a safe the size I posted above, where general visitors or tradesman wouldn't see them when doing typical tasks.

That's NOT what I said, that you ONLY need MH and nothing else. I was pointing out that cans aren't the only solution either, and pointing out that your cost argument didn't hold up either on MH. Buying a tub or two of MH and sticking it in the closet for a decade is an easy task. I have, that same similar one. I use to teach Wilderness Survival when involved with my sons Boy Scout troop. We went a full weekend pumping water from a stream for our water supply. They work, and filter out what needs to be filtered. Nobody died or ended up with montezuma's revenge. You make it sound like the only water source someone will find is drinking water from a septic tank. That's simply not going to be the case. I think that is the case with most people. I do a similar thing with soup, beans, sauerkraut, which is seasonal. That's why I believe cans aren't a good solution, due to their short shelf life. I doubt many people stay on top of what's in the back of their cabinet. Heck, I've even found cans of soup and stuff that was expired in my cabinet from the previous season. It's easy for that to happen.

If I had to take a random guess, This would be what I think we would see in many basements or closets of members here: Or this: Kinda seems pretty obvious what's in there, right? I doubt anyone would think there's canned emergency food stored in there. Or office supplies....

If we had decent legal council that knew how to present a case, in my opinion, this mag law would be an easy one to win, no matter how the SC was stacked. Letting the SC rule based on emotion and not facts is the problem.

Exactly what I've been saying. Anyone determined will get your guns. The key is to slow them down or put up layers of deterrents, which might make them think twice. Plus, putting in a conventional gun safe that screams "There's guns in here" just like a billboard just opens yourself up to issues. I can remember when we were house shopping, and going into a house for sale and seeing a traditional gun safe in the guy's closet. Gee, I wonder what was in it??? If I was really determined, I know exactly where to go in the future to pick up some new toys. What do you think a service tech is thinking when he comes over to service your HVAC system, and sees a HUGE visible gun safe in the basement? Or a plumber comes by to fix a water leak in the basement? How about the appliance kid delivering a new washer? Any chance they might spread the word to some of their nefarious friends? So, this is why I recommend "Hiding in plain sight", and getting gun storage that doesn't LOOK like gun storage. This way, anyone wandering around doesn't get curious. You need MULTIPLE layers of deterrence. 1) A large dog. 2) Good locks and secure doors. 3) Audible alarm system. 4) Video security system. 5) Fire and theft insurance. 6) Firearms stored in multiple locations - I'm not a "all my eggs in one basket" type of a guy. Bottom line, make it difficult for a potential thief, and you increase the odds in your favor.

What, no Royal Rumble today? It's Sunday, go for it!

Actually, you're right: See, the $7.00 was for TWO servings, which makes it $3.50 ea. serving. I was wondering if you noticed that. Makes it even more cost effective, right? Really??? You're going to that again, and comparing using a few ounces of water to reconstitute MH versus the quarts you need to drink to stay alive each day? The taste of peaches (or oatmeal) is the critical factor with water? Come on, you're smarter than that. Thank you for proving my point. People forget after a few months, and when they remember, the can is expired. Which is easier, worrying about your emergency food storage every 6 months or worrying about it every 10 - 15 years (or longer)? That's called "Being Prepared". Do you wait until AFTER the hurricane hits to go out and get supplies, batteries, fuel, etc? That works if you regularly eat canned food, like I said, if beefaroni and mushroom soup is your normal, weekly staple, then fine, keep rotating. Once again, we were talking about EMERGENCY FOOD, not your normal weekly food regarding the MH. Buying a long term emergency supply and stocking it away. Most people don't buy MH for their normal lunch or dinner. What part of that don't you understand?

What exactly do you do or how do you act when you arrive at the range that makes them so wary and suspicious of you?

That's only if you catch it by the expiration date and it doesn't go bad. If not, you're throwing it out. I also did the math based on 10 year shelf life, not the 30 that MH guarantees. Any additional years past 10, is a bigger savings. What if you go 20? Because we're talking about emergency food, which is something a normal person doesn't pay attention to weekly or probably monthly. Maybe that's what you do, but some of us here can afford to eat fresh food all the time, so we wouldn't be buying beefaroni regularly as our normal meal, and rotating our normal weekly dinner. Once again, this thread is about emergency rations that are put away, not our weekly diet. However, your weekly diet might be different than mine. That's already been established above, doesn't matter if you're eating MH or Beefaroni, if you don't have access to clean water, you're dead. This doesn't factor in this conversation. Exaggerate much???? Who said anything about dying from canned food? I'm pointing out that your belief that canned food is such a better value is not accurate, and takes a lot of more planning and attention than buying prepared MH pouches that last 10 - 15 times longer in storage. Really?? Now we're going to compare how soldiers survived out on the battlefield to people living in their homes to prove a point? Talk about an apples to hammers comparison.

They first have to agree to take on a 2A case, recently, they've punted on each one.

OK, let's do some math: a can of Chef Boyardee meat ravioli is $1.50 at Walmart, let's say it's shelf life is safely 2 years (I'm actually going to check the next time I'm in Walmart). So in a ten year period, you would have to rotate it out 5 times, for a total cost of $7.50 over 10 years. A double serving pouch of MH spaghetti and meat sauce is $7.00., which claims to have a 30 year shelf life. But, let's say you play it safe, and rotate out at 10 years, which still gives a very safe window. Which one costs you more? (and we won't touch on the the extra attention, monitoring and labor to swap out cans every two years).

Why would a package change that was vacuum sealed and unopened after 7 or 8 years? Unlike your short term canned food, there's no moisture in the pouch, so it won't go bad, as long as it's stored in the right temperature area. How about because you buy MH for longer term storage. Who wants to worry and deal with cans every few months to see if they're expired. We have enough crap to deal with in the week, why have to spend extra time to see if the Chef Boyardee has gone bad?

Yes, keeps those mags smelling fresh!

Do you have one of these?

That's NOT what is stated in their guarantee: What is the shelf life of your foods? Our meals in pouches, kits and cans all have a freeze-dried, emergency food industry-leading guaranteed shelf life and Taste Guarantee of 30 years. How does the shelf life of Mountain House pouches compare to other brands? We know of no other pouch on the market with Mountain House's 30-year proven shelf life. We have updated the shelf life on our foods several times over the years because we found the 'Best Used By' printed on our pouches was too conservative. This is why, based on real-world testing, we've moved to a 30-year shelf life on meals in our cans and pouches (excluding novelty items and MCWs). https://www.mountainhouse.com/m/faqs.html