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This is the Money quote. I just read through the Opinion in the OP, and this line stood out: ...."New Jersey contends that because large capacity magazines do not fall within the Second Amendment's protections, the LCM law is lawful, and alternatively that the LCM law nevertheless reasonably fits to accomplish a significant governmental interest." The "governmental interest" is to totally disarm us. This ruling is just one of the many steps, and based on the BS spewed in the ruling in the OP, I don't believe we will be successful in getting any injunction or the law overturned... They don't give a SHIT about the constitution!!!!!! Are you pissed off enough yet?

Any chance, even if it's not his fault the cops might be doing an investigation on something else regarding him?

It's a grace period to possess the 15 rounders in your house until Dec, 13th If you have the 15 rounders for the SR9, why not get the blockers or get them pinned to 10. Would be less costly than buying new.

I bought some a while back on sale from either Midway or Cheaper than Dirt, check there.

@Zeke Too late, I've already had one for years.... after trying it, it's sitting in my cabinet collecting dust.

I got the exact same one today, but the password was wrong. I've been seeing different versions of this scam for the last month or two. They're getting desperate, it was up around $2400 a few weeks ago, apparently no one is biting on the scam. These scams and general hacks are getting a lot smarter, including all the data being stolen from financial, banking and other online retail places. No information is truly safe anymore, even if you use different passwords at different places. The hackers break into the databases and steal the passwords.

I quote the part I'm responding to. If someone wants to read your whole post, they can scroll up to see it. I don't waste space and requote a complete post, like others do, i just quote just the point I'm referring to. I'm really interested to hear what your home defense, deterrent, set-up and plan is. It would really be beneficial and I could learn something. Please post it.

If you've been reading along, you would have already seen that I have plenty of light to determine what I'm looking at. That's already existing and pre-planned. I don't need 500 lumens to see what color the intruder's eyes are. Nah, the "experts" here know my home layout better than I do... Apparently there are a few people here that think an intruder getting thru multiple layers of deterrents and defenses, would be "accidental" and they just "wandered" in, so I should take my time to understand why they decided to physically break thru and ignore all them, just so the drunk can use my bathroom. That's strange logic. If you think that's how my complete description is coming across, then I can't help your lack of reading comprehension and logic. If you think my description of the layers of deterrents and defenses amounts to a "fuck it" and I'll shoot what I can't see, and sort it out later", then wow... there are no words... You're kidding me right? If there is an intruder coming down my hallway in the middle of the night, after physically taking major effort to break in, there really isn't much to figure out. Do you really need to know his hair color, eye color or the color of his shirt with a 500 lumen WL, before taking action? He's there to do harm, and I put my family at risk to delay any response. There are some here who think a WL, by itself, is the cure-all to stop a home intruder. Talk about being short-sighted without looking at the overall picture and conditions in the field of play.

@Zeke Why is that, because I sometimes have a different opinion on a topic then others? Last time I checked, we were in America, and we have a 1st Amendment, right? Or, is this forum located in North Korea?

Police are good at writing reports AFTER the fact, if you think they are there to protect you, good luck. Apparently you've never heard the saying, "when SECONDS count, police are MINUTES away". Maybe you should read it, education is knowledge. Since there seems to be an issue with understanding my point of view, I'll repost what I said earlier in the thread, for the ones not following along: So, in that situation, I have zero issues taking my best chance with a prosecutor, as the alternative isn't acceptable. Do drunks usually go through all of that to get into what they perceive to be "their" house. But hey, if that situation happens in your house, feel free to have the intruder sit down at your kitchen table, make a pot of coffee to sober up the "drunk", and discuss why he made the drunken error of breaking into your house, while waiting for the police to show up. It will be fun!

If you read my posts above, you will see that this "person" will have to go through multiple deterrents before they get to the point of being inside my house. Based on all of that evidence, there wouldn't be a prosecutor in the country that could write that off as a simple, drunken mistake or bad decision. If someone is found inside my house at night, it's a definite, physical, intentional act to either rob or physically attack us, not to use my bathroom to take a piss.

I'm not sure why you keep repeating that inaccuracy. 15 round mags are LEGAL to possess in your home until Dec. 13th. ..." a person who legally owns a semi-automatic rifle with a fixed magazine capacity exceeding 10 rounds or a large capacity ammunition magazine as defined under subsection y. of N.J.S.2C:39-1 which is capable of holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition on the effective date of P.L. , c. (C. ) (pending before the Legislature as this bill) may retain possession of that rifle or magazine for a period not to exceed 180 days 1[from] after1 the effective date of this act. " That Act/Law was signed by Murphy on June 13th. (New section) Notwithstanding the provisions of N.J.S.2C:39-6, a law enforcement officer may possess and carry while on duty a large capacity ammunition magazine and possess and carry while off duty a large capacity ammunition magazine which is capable of holding up to 15 rounds of ammunition that can be fed continuously and directly into a semi-automatic firearm.]1 https://legiscan.com/NJ/text/A2761/id/1812547 In both cases, it's legal to possess the mags in your home, and police are allowed to possess 15 rounds mags, so there would be zero issue for the cops to transport and return these legal mags to their owner.... unless they don't want to, which would be an illegal act.

If you're "forcefully" stumbling into my house at night, it's going to take a lot of forceful and intentional stumbling. That WON'T be accidental, no matter how much you drank.. Your "greeting" will be appropriate for your action.

Another great point. Police are allowed to carry 15 round "high capacity" mags with the new law, so having them "transport" them back to their legal owner is NOT breaking the new law.

and just like that, someone else who agrees getting a FPID is a good and safe idea... imagine that...

Ha Ha... that might be it. They don't mess around with us old farts... The only time we had any issues with a RO was with my son, who was wrestling with the bolt on his Mosin, and the RO stopped over to see what was going on. Otherwise, they just walk by.

That's where we reload, on my tailgate. Never had the RO say anything about it.

Yeah, that's what we've experienced. 20/10. Once we reset targets, we go back and reload mags for the remainder of the CF, so it's really not that horrible. I bring a mixed bag of targets (paper, cans, and water bottles), so by the time we reset, clean up and get back to the truck, most of the CF is done. Plus, we normal go for a minimum of two hours, so we'll get enough actual shooting time in.

Exactly.. This is the point I was trying to make. What someone has said here, basically, owning a firearm is against the law in NJ except for exemptions. Why make it more difficult to sort it out when the odds are against you. MY OPINION (that's still allowed here, right?) is that I wouldn't go anywhere with a firearm in my possession that I couldn't prove that I owned, either by purchase/invoice, a Will, a COE or other type of document, or at least, show a FPID, just for the reason you mentioned.

I've thought about it, but being inside the concrete tunnels can be loud, specially when shooting .223. Plus, last time I asked, they won't let you shoot handguns down there (don't know if they changed that rule), and we like to bring both, so we've been going to Range 14. Easier on the ears and more choices of targets. FYI, Shooters is having their 5 year Anniversary Sale next weekend, so if you're looking for some deals, you might find them.

Wait a second... someone here told me you don't need paperwork to prove ownership of guns in NJ and cops don't confiscate guns based on lack of proof. Apparently, these cops don't know the laws in the state.

Gee, maybe because they took them unlawfully to start with, but you claim they can't bring the unlawfully acquired magazines back to their original owner, since they're lawful to own in her house (where they were originally) until Dec. 13th? Really? You're going to compare them to firearm ownership in THIS state? Really? She didn't have them OUTSIDE her home, they were taken from a legal place of possession now, IN her home. So, county prosecutors can write and change laws however they feel that day? The things we learn here. Wow, talk about reaching....

Lighten up Francis.. I was referring to LEOs who don't follow the laws, example being a recent poster here who had their firearms taken because of a domestic issue, only to NOT have their 15 rounds mags not returned when the firearms came back, because of the new mag law, and the other poster who claimed to be arrested for possessing a Taser, even though they are legal now. Two recent examples of LEO's not following the laws. I have no idea how many people (besides boys in the 'hood) who drive around with firearms in their vehicles that they can't show any type of ownership or being legally able to possess. Like I said, it's legal, but me personally, wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of questioning in that situation, knowing how gun un-friendly some areas of this state are. Would that be a battle you'd like to have on the side of the road, after being in a car crash and being questioning by a LEO? I know that, wouldn't it be nice to have the documentation easily available to prove that instead of just saying "I assumed them"? Which circles around for the fourth time to why I said getting a FPID (happy now @Zeke) would certainly help, to show he wasn't prohibited and make the situation a bit less stressful.

Gee... thanks Dr. Weatherbee.... My point was, if he gets a card, at least he'll be able to show he passed a background check, and is not a felon, and can legally posses firearms. That would be one positive step to help his defense.

That 18% closely matches the approval rating of Congress right now. How sad is that?