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Not only do they breathe toxic air, but many smoke, too, so that's a DOUBLE wammy to the lungs, even before getting the virus. I don't think you can compute it that way. For one, the person that died probably picked up the virus multiple weeks ago, so using existing cases against current deaths, there's a time element that has to be adjusted. Plus, as Jack says, there are many people who never got diagnosed, and stayed home, so the true number of cases is probably a lot higher, which will make the CFR much lower.

No, I'm trying to understand where you are in your thinking. 1) Do you think this WuFlu will turn into the 1918 pandemic? 2) At what point do you think paper currency will be worthless, and gold/silver will be the currency of choice. Who is going to accept it? We live in the same area, so I'm asking to see where you expect to go for your necessary supplies. 3) I think, if it's the SHTF situation you're talking about, where cash is useless, and gold/silver is the base of trading, we'll be in a Mad Max situation, and I'm not sure how many people will even want to be alive at that point.

Were you living here when Hurricane Sandy came through? Which of the few stores or gas stations that were open accepted your gold and silver for food/supplies?

Be careful, that guy is posting different emails in different posts.

Wait, you said don't save cash, because it will be useless... Will Walgreens take your gold and silver for your Rxs??

I said that back in January, in the WuFlu thread. The issue isn't the virus, it's the hype/fear and economic fallout from sensationalized reporting, and the reaction to it. Similar how the media blows mass shooting way out of proportion, compared to other, everyday deaths. It might, if the negative economic effects are bad enough. If enough people are hurting in their wallets come November, Bernie's freebies will sound really good!

Just read on another forum that Amazon was limiting the amount of P&G products you can buy to 2 or 3. They must already be seeing shortages, without replenishments coming in.

Why? I have all I want now.

On another forum, a guy works at the ports in CA and tracks incoming freighters. He even said incoming traffic is really, really light. We see that here on this forum on a daily basis. What actual type of products?

Toyota warned today that they might have to shut down their lines in Japan, due to parts shortages from China. Remember, there's like 30,000 parts in a car, and just one missing, stops final assembly and delivery. Hyundai shut down their line in So. Korean because one worker tested positive for the virus, so now they're completely disinfecting the plant.

Just remember, with brass/lead, you can get all the gold and silver you want!!

Regular food, probably not. But OTC medicines and Rxs, health and beauty products (soap, shampoo, deodorant, cleaning supplies,etc.), any electronics, dollar store items, paper products, hardware, etc. will possibly be affected. Remember, Procter and Gamble said 17,000 of their products will have inventory issues, take a quick cross section of what they make, as a reference. https://www.cips.org/en/supply-management/news/2020/february/pg-warns-17600-products-possibly-hit-by-coronavirus/ They won't be the only ones...

Good luck buying vegetables from the local farmer or any other local goods with gold or silver coins...

I was wondering why this story didn't get more legs in the media, maybe this was why. The Milwaukee man who killed five co-workers at a beer company’s corporate office is a black Elizabeth Warren supporter, providing a clue as to why the mass shooting disappeared from the discussion so quickly. 51-year-old Anthony Ferrill showed up at the MillerCoors facility from where he had been fired earlier in the day wearing his uniform and carrying a silenced gun. It subsequently emerged that Ferrill was an African-American Elizabeth Warren supporter (presuming that Ferrill shared the same political beliefs as his wife, who took a selfie with Warren at a rally last year). “Ferrill’s wife posted photos of her family and expressing liberal political views,” confirms Heavy.com. “In July 2019, Ferrill’s wife attended a speech by U.S. Senator Elizabeth Warren at South Division High School Gym in Milwaukee. Following the speech, Ferrill’s wife took a photo with the Massachusetts senator.” https://summit.news/2020/02/27/milwaukee-mass-shooter-is-a-black-elizabeth-warren-supporter/

Something even MORE satisfying is seeing a dog master a task and being successful when that's NOT in their breeding.

Also a reminder, I just made this comment in the other market thread. Remember your pets when stocking up. The FDA just warned that 6 pet pharmaceutical manufacturers are having major supply issues, so if your pets require medication or special treatments, get it now. Since so much of pet crap comes from China, anything your furry friends eat/need should be bought NOW!

I went and looked last night, and you're right, a lot is on backorder or OOS. I totally agree, and was coming to remind everyone to put some extra cash away, you can never tell when the plastic could be shut off.

That's what I do too, as a minimum. I hate getting caught unprepared... I think I remember reading, the majority of people have less than a weeks worth of necessary items at home, on average. I think Mrs' Peel has even admitted to that.

He can fetch the bottle, but is having difficulty getting the cap off... he has a tough time grabbing the bottle opener with his paw.. What a slacker...

Most of what you wrote is a good start. The biggest issue will be supply disruptions due to Just in Time inventory programs. The second issue is when the "sheep" get spooked, and go on a panic buying spree... Think about what happens just before a hurricane... The thing to do is go look through all your cabinets, pantry, linen closet and medicine cabinet, and stock up on all those daily products that you use every day. All the health and beauty type products as well as OTC and Rx could be affected (90% of those product have a connection to China supplies). Don't forget cleaning products too. Procter and Gamble put out a letter that 17,000 of their products will be affected by the China shutdown. That should tell you a lot. They're expecting major disruption in delivery of their products. Apple , Microsoft and H.P. have joined that camp. I would expect more companies to join them shortly... I would suggest laying in at least a month's worth (or more) of your everyday items. I was in Walmart this afternoon, and there were big holes in alot of the popular products already. If the sheep get spooked, alot more will clear out, and Walmart doesn't have a "backroom" of stock to refill the shelves. Last month there was a run on N95 masks. They are now cleaned out, in stores and on Amazon, and this was when there were only like 10 WuFlu cases in the country. If the gov't. overreacts, and starts shutting down schools and public buildings, panic will escalate. The economic fallout will be bad enough...

For dragging ducks out of the swamp, no. Not a useful goal. Only if you consider Level 1 Threat Defense Protection training, for show. Then, throw in 3 different AKC certifications, just for the fun of it. Currently in Tracking and Trailing training for Search and Rescue. Currently training for mud dog obstacle course racing. Also, a trained Therapy Dog. Plus, trained in hand signals for all cues, commands and daily behaviors. ....and he's only 2, so we have a way to go for more... Well, he's never cooked anything in a crock pot yet....

He's capable of a lot more than that.

Great choice of a pup..!!! Ha, Funny thing, one of my dude's nicknames is Chuck... My MIL says he looks like a Charlie, so somehow, it's got transformed to Chuck. You guys need to get real, manly dogs, not these pocket dogs....

When I saw the original headline, that was the first thing I thought, what are the odds...

Guy gets fired earlier in the day, then comes back for retribution... MILWAUKEE (AP) — An employee opened fire Wednesday at one of the nation’s largest breweries in Milwaukee, killing five fellow workers before taking his own life, police said. The assailant who attacked the Molson Coors complex was identified as a 51-year-old Milwaukee man who died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound, police said. “There were five individuals who went to work today, just like everybody goes to work, and they thought they were going to go to work, finish their day and return to their families. They didn’t — and tragically they never will,” Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett said. Milwaukee police sources told CBS 2’s Jermont Terry that the gunman was fired earlier in the day. He returned and started shooting with a silenced gun, police sources said. The gunman appeared to have stolen the nametag of another employee when he returned to work with a gun, sources told Terry. https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2020/02/26/at-least-1-person-shot-at-millercoors-campus-in-milwaukee/