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I'm very familiar with the federal laws, which allow the completion of an 80% lower receiver for personal use without any manufacturing licenses or application of a serial number and said firearm not be completed with the intent to sell. Does anyone have a reference to the NJ state law? (actual title, chapter, section, subsection, paragraph number) I am from NJ, but I joined the military when I was 18 and spent my adult life at bases in the mid-west where the state firearms laws were no more restrictive than the federal laws. I recently moved back to NJ and I see the firearms rules here are "different." I appreciate all the knowledge you guys have, let's continue to share it respectfully.

Not sure how many out there have done a build starting from an 80% receiver blank, but I'm starting to think those days won't be so bright and sunny for much longer. Saw this CBS News article, I think its from yesterday. I know California recently mandated that when you complete an 80% lower receiver, you contact the State Government and pay them to issue you a serial number to stamp onto it. I saw one site that sells "California Compliant" 80% receiver blanks that already have a serial number stamped on it. Probably won't take the Peoples Republic of New Jersey to completely criminalize the holy dog shit out this now. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/law-enforcement-struggling-to-combat-unregulated-diy-ghost-guns/

I used to be a Deputy Sheriff in another state. I was also attached to a task force with the US Marshals Office. I can tell you first hand that every City Police Department, County Sheriff's Office, State Police Agency, and all the Federal Agencies (ATF, USM, FBI, DOJ, ICE, Railroad Police - yeah, that's it's own agency, DHS, Border Patrol, DEA) ALL have their own local records systems. The FBI also maintains a national database called NCIC: National Crime Information Center. Now, all of these law enforcement agencies in the country and their associated prosecutors offices and court clerks have to update their local database with warrant information, arrest records and charges, fingerprint records, name/address/phone #/SSN info, associated vehicle info, charges that have been dropped, downgraded, upgraded or dismissed, plea agreements, sentencing information, it ALL has to be updated. There is an unholy crap-ton of data that has to be entered DAILY and there is usually no checks/balances to go back and verify it is correct once its put in. Next, state and local agencies that have received the proper training from the FBI and have the proper computer access to NCIC can upload their data to the NCIC database. This data can then able to be shared with other agencies with access to NCIC, but it is not a mandatory requirement that all state and local law enforcement agencies have access or upload their data if they do have access. The ones who do, have to upload it in a specific format, but this is typically a different format from the local system. This conversion of data formats which creates room for error. The uploading agency is supposed to verify the info is correct, but again, room for human error. Now, when an agency searches a person's name, the system is designed to bring up all names that are phonetically similar (the computer is actually programmed to know what words sound like) and all the various spellings of the name. A human then has to sift through the returned info and decide if any of it matches the person they are physically dealing with. Room for Error. I have seen first hand, on MANY occasions, the information in these databases are not current, not accurate, or not complete enough to make an accurate determination to whether it belongs to the person we were dealing with. I once arrested a man for being in possession of a stolen firearm (had a valid CCW). This was a Friday evening. He swore up and down he bought it from a sporting goods store where he worked in another state. Long story short, I could have let him sit in jail all weekend, but I went out of my way and called the ATF in Washington DC and actually got in touch with a live person on a Friday evening, (damn near impossible, trust me) from whom I found out the gun was 1 of 93 guns stolen from that store. All guns were recovered and returned, but some federal law prevented them from being sold to the public so they could only be sold to employees or disposed of in some other process. So this guy I arrested bought the gun in question LEGALLY and the ATF had the records of that legal purchase, but FORGOT to update NCIC. So here he is on vacation, 1,000 miles away from home in jail for no reason, and had I not done more than I needed to at the time, he would have sat in jail all weekend, gone to court Monday, been turned over to our local ATF office, and maybe Monday afternoon or Tuesday they would have figured it out and let him go. There is too much info out there, with too much room for human error on the input side and on the retrieval side of the system. I guess the message I'd like to get across is this: It is very possible to have something pop up on a background check that was missed 20 times before. It is also very possible to have someone else's info pop up when your name is searched. This happens to my brother frequently because someone with the same first and last name and same middle initial (different middle name, but still starts with the letter D ) has a federal warrant for his arrest for armed robbery of a post office. Unfortunately, often times the individual has to suffer or go through as much work to prove his case as the government has to go through to prove theirs. The one truly amazing part about the whole records system with NCIC and a million independent state and local systems is that these mistakes do not occur more often than they do. So just my $.02 on these background checks and records checks.

I don't know what the specific rules are about that, but I would suspect that if you had enough land in Essex or Sussex Counties, it would probably be ok. I have a friend who lives in Smyrna. He's in a residential neighborhood but he is on the edge of the development so there is nothing behind his yard, just hills and a storm water pond. We set up and shot facing that way from his back yard one day and from what he says, he does it a lot and never has a problem. His neighbors house is less than 40 feet from his and they do it too. I doubt you could do this anywhere in New Castle County but outside of the populated areas like Dover, Smyrna and Middletown, you could probably do it with enough land further south.

Ok, so its still working its way through the process. Not that it would apply to us if it passes and becomes law. NJ will not give anyone a CCW to be able to have honored in another state

You can contact your Assemblymen/women. There is a website where you can type in your zip code and it will show you who represents your area and give you their official email address. It also shows a history of how they voted on all the issues brought before the assembly. I don't have the link off the top of my head, but I can try to find it. I've actually received supportive answers when I emailed them in the past on 2 separate occasions concerning proposed gun legislation. Edit: Found the link http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/members/legsearch.asp From here you can search and find lots of info.

Well from what my friends and co-workers tell me and from what I have read: You can walk into a store and purchase a handgun (or any firearm) and walk out with it 30 minutes later). They are permitted to Open Carry (obviously with restrictions to schools, courts, federal buildings, etc). To get a concealed carry permit takes a little more, but I believe they are a shall issue state if you dot all the I's and lower case J's and cross the T's. To get it, you have the background check, mental health records check and paperwork that includes forms similar to our FID and P2P, including the forms where your references fill out and sign saying you are not a terrorist or psycopath. Then there is something about having your name and info put in the newspaper for so many weeks to give the public a chance to see that you are applying and anyone with a valid reason can come to the court to contest it. After that, I think there is a brief visit to a judge and you're granted a CCW. I think you have to have a CCW safety course too. I love the open carry part. I used to open carry in South Dakota. I don't know who they had open carry reciprocity with, but that's a moot point as I think it is now federally mandated that reciprocity be given to all who have a valid CCW from their home state. Delaware has no restrictions on weapon features like NJ's "evil feature" bullsh*t and there are no mag capacity restrictions. Hunter safety course is required for hunting. I don't think hunting is allowed with rifles. Muzzle loader and rifled shotgun is good, but I don't hunt over there so I'm not as sure about hunting laws. There are 3 counties in the state and they have some rules about the type of ammo you can use in New Castle County (everything north of the canal between the Delaware River and Chesapeake Bay) and the other areas. Something about .22LR cannot be used to varmint hunt in New Castle County, and shotgun shot made of lead or something can't be used in certain areas. One of the guys who knows more about that is down in Texas right now for training or I'd be able to ask him. Overall, its far more relaxed than here and the state is not busy with trying to ban items that are already illegal like how NJ just put another ban on bump stocks because being banned once is nowhere near as efficient as being banned twice.

The Woodstown Barracks in Salem County covers my area.

Sorry, I meant to include Ocean County!

I'm impatiently waiting to pick up a Taurus PT1911. I had one years ago when I was stationed out west and I regret that I ever sold it. 20 Days? You're so lucky. I submitted a P2P before Thanksgiving and still haven't got it back. I already have a NJ FID. I called the State Police where I submitted the paperwork and the Sgt said the backlog is because all NJSP apps for P2P go to 1 person in Trenton who is over worked with processing them. He said that if they cashed my check, I should get the permit back within 2 weeks. Check was cashed 3 weeks ago...

Thanks, and thanks for all the welcomes to anyone I missed!

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haha, more like 1/4. Me and 2 kids would have gone to Salem, just the wife went to Woodstown. Her 20 year reunion is Friday. I have friends and family who went there. Its not a bad school, we just tried like heck to beat them every Thanksgiving!

I'd be all for a remapping of the states. South Jersey (Salem, Cumberland, Gloucester, Cape May, Burlington and Atlantic Counties) should be it's own state. We are the garden part of the garden state and we are tired of all the BS coming from the big city politics of Trenton, Newark and all the NYC suburbs.

Ah! No, I grew up in Salem City so I went to Salem High. My kids go there too from Quinton. My wife is from Alloway and she went to Woodstown.

What is Wolverine? I can only think of the X-men character, but I'm not he (unfortunately!)

I can hear the shooting from my house. The sound carries like its coming from the woods behind our house but its not a bother at all. It does get my wife's attention sometimes when she's in the garden and someone fires off something extra loud but I tell her it's the sound of freedom.

I do not. I have not done much competition shooting. This summer I entered the Delaware National Guard shooting match. Its a 2 gun competition open to all Army and Air Guard. I got pulled from it because they could not afford to have me away from duty on the day of the competition. I was out of town during the event last year. Between being on Active Duty and joining the Guard, I spent a few years as a Deputy Sheriff in Pennington County, South Dakota (Rapid City and Mt Rushmore are in that county). I did a lot of shooting with that agency. They have a SWAT team but all Deputies were very up to date on active shooter response techniques due to the huge area they cover and how un-restrictive the guns laws are. Funny thing was there were WAY more stabbing than shootings out there. Go figure.

Hi all, I'm joining from the garden part of the garden state. I'm way down the turnpike off exit 1. I grew up here and I joined the military in the 90s when I was 18. I spent my adult life in places like Texas, South Dakota and Iraq where they encourage open carry, concealed carry permits were issued the same day you applied, public lands dedicated for shooting and there were things to hunt year around. My wife and I are from NJ so we decided to move back since all our family is here. I'm still serving as a full time Guardsmen in the Delaware Air National Guard (Wilmington Airport) and I shoot more over there with my friends vs here in NJ, but I plan on joining the Quinton Sportsmen's Club soon since it's only 2 miles away from my house.

Stumbled onto this site when I was using Google to try to clarify what is and is not legal to own for firearms in NJ. There's so many answers and info here I had to become a member.

I was pretty sure the bump stocks were already illegal in NJ but I maybe I'm wrong. Either way, I think politicians decided to take the Vegas shooting as an easy opportunity to create marketing material for the next time they come up for re-election. They can say "We are working to keep you safe because we passed this law to ban something that was already banned." I contacted my assemblymen on the fact that this is a redundant law and waste of political time to pass a law again but I got no answer. Sometimes they actually email back about these issues when I contact them. The fanatics will falsely feel more secure because there are too many who believe that the government can legislate the evil out of people. My sister-in-law is one of them. It's really interesting talking to someone who has no mental grasp on the reality that no matter what laws are passed, criminals will break them.