Regular Guy

Great input from everyone! So the poll results show just over 32% of voters are not bothered by the dangling finger while just over 35% voted that they can't stand it. This is a surprise to me, I thought it would be much more separation between the two in favor of those who did not like it. Several people mentioned that they CCW smallest gun possible, while others said they carry what they are most comfortable shooting, even if it's a bigger model gun. On that point, I think comfort is the common denominator. You have to be comfortable enough shooting it to be confident enough to carry it. You have to be comfortable enough while carrying the gun or you won't want to carry it. So size does matter

I forgot there was such an exercise device as the hand gripper things. While I think it could definitely benefit recoil control, I don't think it would change the psychological discomfort of having the little finger off the grip. For the hand gripper, according to this buyers guide apparently the normal pounds of resistance is 30-45 pounds, but they claim that's weak as new born babies can barely get warmed up with that little bit of weight (paraphrasing a little). They recommend starting with 60lbs and working up to 365lbs for "Beyond natural levels of hand strength." So if you want to crush coconuts with one hand, start with the 60 and go from there.

Just wondering what the overall consensus is. In general, I cannot stand the way it feels when holding a gun where my little finger hangs off under the grip. Today I got a new Springfield 911. It comes with 2 mags, one is 6 round flush fitting and the other is 7 rounds with a finger extension. It fits my hand perfect with the 7 round mag inserted. I bought an extra 7 round mag because I figured I would never use the 6 rounder. Shockingly, I can get a comfortable grip on this particular gun with my little finger off the grip. First micro handgun I've come across that feels this way. The overall majority of handguns are not comfortable to me this way so I just wanted to see what others thought.

I agree. I got my permits today after waiting 69 days (filed for them the old fashion way). Whether you have to wait 69 days or 9 days, don't lose sight of the fact that this state has willingly violated your constitutional rights by creating a system that forces you to ask the government for permission, then pay fees to that government in order for you to exercise the rights that are supposed to be granted to you as an American citizen. The only improvement would be a supreme court decision reversing this states pistol permitting process, magazine capacity restrictions and unconstitutional conceal carry laws & permit requirements.

I did the background check online where I had to pay the $20 and print the receipt and turn it in with the rest of the paperwork. I didn't find out about the entire process being done online until a couple weeks after I turned in my paperwork. I see others had been posting that their areas in NJ don't do it online yet so its not available everywhere yet. Really I have nothing better to do besides complain while I wait for the state to give me permission to exercise my constitutional rights because its been well over the 30 days they are supposed to take in giving me permission.

There's always free cheese in a trap.

At least some people are getting the benefit of this new system.

Woodstown, Salem County.

<---------slightly jealous. Only slightly.

Why is this not available state-wide yet? I submitted my paperwork package to the NJSP barracks for my area on January 22 and I'm still waiting

WOW. Those are some super high risk drills! During the first round of the 2nd drill, the shooter had an accidental/negligent (you pick) discharge, firing a round straight down into the ground by his feet while he was pushing back the hecklers. I've been in force on force drills with sim-munitions but NOTHING with live ammo. I've been in training drills where you park down the street away from the training facility and you get "dispatched" to a mock call located at the facility. You respond to the training building and you get evaluated on every thing as you go through the scenario, starting from where you park and what route you take to approach the door (depending on the type of call). It always evolved into something that required some use of force, so you get evaluated on how well you respond to what is happening, weapon retention, how quickly you perceive and identify threats and how well you work together if the scenario has multiple officers arriving and you have to deal with multiple suspects, victims and bystanders. The scenarios start out as re-enactment of real life calls and get's pretty stressful, especially with seasoned officers playing the roles of suspects and victims. Again, the closest I've seen to live ammo in training was sim-munitions. Air soft was also used commonly because it was way cheaper than sims and as LEO, the training scenarios always put you close enough to the suspects that the ballistics of the air soft rounds were not of concern. It was more an eval of when you made the shoot/no shoot decision, not a test of accuracy. We would also do active shooter response training like this in schools during the summer when school was out or at night at the courthouse when the building was empty. They would have families and friends of all the officers volunteer to come down and pretend to be students, staff members, or bystanders at the school or courthouse so when you arrive, there are actual people running around screaming, hiding, pretending to be injured. They tried to make the scenarios are real as possible so if you ever had to face it, you would have some kind of familiarity with the chaos. It's real tough to step over a wounded child who is tugging at your ankles screaming "HELP ME! HELP ME!" as you make entry into a building but you gotta tell yourself your #1 function is to go in take out the shooter. The sooner you get him, the sooner the medics can come in and help people.

The forms I get to give to my references have questions more like what Maksim said. Asks about drugs and/or alcohol dependency, whether they know if I was ever convicted of a felony or violent crime, whether I am a member of a group whose goal is the overthrow the government. Same general topics that you have to answer about yourself. I live in a rural area with no local police so I get the forms directly from the state police barracks. Not sure if there are different of the form given out by municipalities or what. Either way, it's all a 2A infringement.

A rear naked choke would have worked. With no hand-to-hand or martial arts training, you can fall back on any blunt object to the back of the head. Tackle him and stomp him out. Stab him in the medula with a pencil. Reach from behind, grab the forehand and yank back and down really fast and hard like you want the back of his head to touch the back of his belt, then grab the gun. If you can get it, use it on him. If you can only control it, drop the mag and keep trying to take it from him. DO NOT GIVE UP. Obviously you can't physically train for every eventuality but there is a thing called tactical daydreaming. You can train your mind by thinking about made up situations and how you would get out of it. Example; you're in a restaurant waiting for your food. Pretend you have to get from your seat to the nearest exit but there is an active shooter between you and the door. He has his back to you and is 10 feet away. You're in NJ so you can't CCW. What do you do? I'd grab my fork, rush from behind and jam it in his carotid, then proceed with taking control of his gun. The key to the exercise is that you must allow yourself to win every time. You don't want to mentally exercise failing at any scenario. This tactical daydreaming does two things. It makes you more observant of the environment as you formulate your mental exercise and your brain starts filing away solutions to problems before you have the problem. It's real hard to be creative during the stress level you'd be under during and actual active shooting. But if the situation is something you've encountered, even if just in a mental exercise, your reaction will more likely be appropriate to the situation and you won't just go to condition black and scream and hide in the corner paralyzed by fear waiting to get killed. This is something I learned while in law enforcement because we had to possibly encounter an infinite number of situations with an infinite number of variables. Mental preparedness and being alert are two key steps to surviving.

People don't rise to the occasion, they rise to their lowest level of training.

Unfortunately, that guy trying to sneak by did not have the warrior mindset.

I found this. https://www.foxnews.com/world/mosque-massacre-survivor-hailed-as-hero-for-confronting-the-shooter-saving-lives Says the hero first threw a credit card machine at the shooter. Shooter goes to the car to get another gun (if you watch the horrible video, you see him do that at the first mosque, he goes to get a new gun every time he is out of ammo). The hero picks up the shooters gun and throws it at the shooters car window while the shooter is at the car trying to re-arm. Apparently this was enough of a counter-attack to cause the shooter to flee. Nobody shot back at the shooter.

someone post pics of the sticky (with the 365) in the pocket of a pair of jeans.

The questions they have to answer for a firearms ID card or for a permit to purchase a handgun are the same questions that you have to answer on your part of the application. Are you a member of a terrorist organization, are you a member of a group intending to overthrow the state or federal government, ever been convicted of a crime, etc... those questions. I've haven't done the new online application where they email the questionnaire to your references, but I don't think the email tells them that the questions are related to the firearms process. My town does not have a police department so I go to the local State Police Barracks and they always have me fill out the papers in ink and hand carry the questionnaires to my references then turned in all in when I got everyone to fill it out. It sounds like some cities used to mail the forms to your references and had to wait for them to be mailed back. The new online process emails them the questionnaire so its faster. As far as advice to you, my only advice would be to get better friends or move to a free state that recognizes and honors your constitutional rights.

I will edit my post above since my source of info was not quite accurate. Thanks for clearing it up.

The only Semi-AUTOs allowed to hold more than 10 rounds are tube fed .22LR caliber rifles like the Marlin Model 60. All other SEMI-AUTOs are limited to 10 rounds. For NON semi-auto firearms, the magazine capacity limit is still 15 rounds unlimited. If the NON semi-auto firearm is feed its ammo from a detachable magazine, the limit is 15 rounds unlimited IF, AND ONLY IF that magazine does not fit in any semi-auto firearm on this planet. EXAMPLE: Ruger makes a magazine fed .22LR bolt action gun. That same Magazine (note this is magazine, not tube fed) fits in their 10/22 semi-auto rifle. Since the magazine is capable of going into a semi-auto gun, the magazine capacity limit in NJ for this particular bolt action gun/magazine combo is 10 rounds, even if you do not actually own or possess the semi-auto version of the gun. The magazine capacity gets limited simply because it is possible for that magazine to fit into a semi-auto gun. I am not sure what magazine fed guns have a bolt action or pump action where that magazine does not also fit into a semi-auto gun, but a list would be nice if a list were compiled.

You can pay all upfront with a check or credit card or you can finance it. You can finance and put down any thing from $0 to what ever. I don't think I put anything down. I agreed to pay my 30% rebate toward the loan so they said if I paid that amount by a specific date, there would be no interest on that amount. They were really flexible with financing for this as they did financing for many solar systems installed by my installer and since I had no previous problems paying my electric bill they knew I could pay the loan because the monthly payment was the same as the electric bill used to be. If you finance it, It's a home improvement loan so you get like 10 or 12 years to pay it off. Price would depend on how many panels your system needs, the quality of panels, whether or not you use optimizers with the panels, how many inverters you need.... you know, the variables. For labor and equipment you could be looking at $15,000 to $25,000 total. Keep in mind the 30% tax credit. So if you spend $25k and your income tax withholdings already covers what you would normally owe in taxes for the year, you'll get a $7,500 refund. Put this against the loan and your $25k is now $17,500. Then remember it's not an additional bill to pay. You eliminate your electric bill and shift that funding to cover the monthly loan payment. So it's money that would already be spent. But if you pay your loan off in 8 years, then you have 22 years of the system making SRECs for you while its still under warranty. Most have 25 to 30 year warranty.

I have solar panels. I used my GI Bill and went to school for sustainable energy, energy auditing and HVAC. Ended up getting back in the military but that was for personal reasons. Anyway, buy/finance the system so you own it. Don't lease. If you lease, you don't own it and you don't get the renewable energy credits (SRECs). As someone mentioned, they aren't what they were, but its free money and I've been getting average of $225 per credit. Having panels on the roof does not degrade the roof unless the racking system is installed improperly and allow water (rain, snow) to penetrate. Other than that, it actually protects that area of the roof covered with panels because its shaded and the shingles will not deteriorate as fast from UV light. Still, best to have a newer roof when getting it installed. In NJ, when you apply for solar, the size of the system is based on how much electricity you used in the past year. The electric company will show what you consumed in a year and your system must be designed to where it cannot make any more than that in a year. Knowing this ahead of time, I had incandescent bulbs in every fixture and did not upgrade to energy efficient appliances until after I got solar hooked up. I kinda bumped my usage on purpose to get a system that could create a bit more. Afterwards, I got all LED lights, energy efficient washer, dryer, freezer, etc. just to create a bit of a bigger gap between what I can produce and how much I actually need. The back of my house faces south. In the spring around March, the sun much closer to the the tropic of cancer. My panels are angled to be 90 degrees to the sun in March which allows them to make the most power as the sun passes over the southern part of the sky. As the summer goes on, the sun moves toward the equator and is not quite 90 degrees to my panels so each hour of the day, my panels make less power than they would with the sun at 90 degrees like in march, BUT because the days are gradually getting longer, total power produced each day still increases even though the sun is not at that most optimal angle. Just some nerdy info for ya there. You're installer will set this up, no need to ask about it. Most people don't know or don't realize that your solar power inverter (solar panels produce DC current, inverter changes it to AC so it can be used in your house) MUST shut off during a power outage. This is so you don't send power down the line when utility workers are trying to fix a downed line. There are systems with battery backups that can disconnect you from the grid and keep your power going to just your house. These setups are way more expensive and they battery technology is improving, but the last I checked, the batteries were able to store much more power, but still could not discharge very much at a time. So you could run on batteries for days, but you couldn't power very much for those days because they weren't putting out much wattage. You could always have a sub-panel wired in to have dedicated or emergency circuits be feed from the batteries during and outage, but you have to weigh your needs vs the cost of the extra work and materials. From March to October I make more electric in a month than I consume, so my electric meter counts down. Each month my bill is about $4.80 which is basically a charge for being connected to the grid. I get credits for the excess power. December through February I use more grid power than I make. Instead of paying a bill for this power, it deducts the credits I earned in the summer. So still just a $4.80 bill. The following March, any remaining credits get paid to me in cash and the cycle starts over again. These credits are with the electric company. I also get a SREC for every 1,000 kilowatts I produce, no matter who uses it (me or it goes to the grid as excess). The SREC comes from the State and those are sold for $$ as well. I financed my system and the monthly bill for the loan is the same as what my average monthly electric bill used to be. So no difference in what comes out of my pocket to pay for solar. The solar equipment has 30 year warranty. My math worked out to where I could pay the bill every month, pay the 30% tax rebate toward the loan and pay all my SREC money toward the solar loan and have the loan paid off in 5 years. YYMV NJ has about the best SREC program in the country. Its the only thing this shithole state does right. Look up how it works, but basically, utility companies have to buy them and the state mandates how many they must buy each year. So the state controls the demand based on how much supply there is. They see the supply of credits they issue out to homeowners and they try to keep a stable, steady price market for us. Hope that helps, PM me if you have any specific questions and I can try to help you. If you want check out www.energysage.com They have more info and that site is set up for you to put you info in so contractors can bid on the job. They will submit drawings, equipment and system design info to you graphs and charts to show how much power the system would make, how much money you'll save, etc. I used that site and I know others who have used it to get a contractor. Works great. I went with Green Power Energy out of Avondale (I think thats where they are).

I shoot my 1911 in Steel Challenge matches. I use 8Rd MEC-GAR mags. They make mags that come with guns from several major manufacturers with the manufacturers brand on it so most people don't know they were made by MEC-GAR. They've run good for me with no issues. The ones sold with the MEC-GAR brand are usually cheaper vs the same ones with a manufacturers brand.

The Great Gopher seems to always want to out-do everyone else when it comes to signing laws that violate 2A. While this may not pass the Senate, our state gov is full of dim-ocrats that would love to pick this up and run it through to become a law.

I guess the process is different depending on where you live. My paper forms had said no relatives but it looks like that police department allows it