chic013

I'm with you. NJ AG office thinks too highly of itself. SCOTUS will school them.

Agree. I do think SCOTUS may step it a bit further than just the "need". Just my opinion of course. Hopeful the NY case gets a positive ruling, which can open things up for NJ, and heck all states for that matter that regulate and infringe. Heard PA planning registry bill. It has to end at SCOTUS for all. Agree 100%. The time is now for SCOTUS to clean up the 2A disaster these rouge states and politicians have inflicted. Staying strong and optimistic on my end.

A couple of thoughts. One, it seems that, as many here have posted, NJ wants to "price out" folks with these proposed fee hikes, or at least hit your wallet a lot harder. The second way I was thinking is that if the Rogers carry case bites them in the posterior, should SCOTUS take it up, and rule to our favor. If the second were to happen, these new fee structures could provide a windfall of revenue source to NJ if it were ruled that NJ "may issue" becomes NJ "shall issue". Now, that could be a toss up depending on any possible SCOTUS ruling/wording. If it left some level of state control on permits, then yes, Murphy and team will gladly make the cost high all around. On the flip side, if SCOTUS were to rule "total infringement", then Murphy and team are finished (which is the scenario I would love to see). I will keep optimistic view on our chances with the SCOTUS. Hope springs eternal and it could actually happen that our state gets the 2A back.

Hope not, but it could very well happen. Just a thought, SCOTUS will be looking at NJ carry case and possible grant of cert (Rogers case). If the do take the case, I have to imagine our new justice Kavanaugh won't forget about Booker, Harris, et al during his confirmation hearing. I know as a justice at this level, that stuff should be left in the rear view mirror and bias should be non-existent. However, human nature/emotion may not be that easy "to let it go". It could be the "juice" we need to ram it to this NJ political hacks.

So as the time clock ticks down on the NJ AG and team to respond to SCOTUS via brief and the new online process for FID now online in many counties, I view this as NJ power slugs seeing that they are in trouble. Damage control. They, meaning Gov, et al, all know they have overreached big time. Though none of them will ever admit nor concede, it is very possible they think will be up against the highest court. These dweebs are no way near enough competent to justify this off. Sorry but big money at Goldman does not trump the Constitution. Govie Murphy and his team are in for the awakening of their lives if SCOTUS hears the case. NYC is also in play with similar suit. I’m all in and have faith that law of land can and will prevail.

I like the move. Essentially forcing NJ AG to justify the “justifiable need”. I’m sure SCOTUS would like to know how, who, what, when such “need” is made or determined. In my view this is the best example of infringement yet. If I were litigator I would ask when the last time a criminal provided the specific day, time, place to the victims of any crime. That to me is the crux of it. No one can foresee the absolute future. And criminal acts does not discriminate, nor should any state limit the right to bear arms as defense against it. You all know this so I’m just offering my view. I am optimistic that we get cert granted.

Agree. The only hope is SCOTUS. They will be hearing the NYC transport case and have requested brief from NJ AG on Rogers carry case to determine if it can be granted cert. It is promising that SCOTUS is at least looking at 2A. I can only hope they use strict scrutiny in all matters and uphold the Constitution. If so (and it’s a big if) I could see all this nonsense infringement legislation gone. It is well long past due that SCOTUS get this done.

We could only hope. Looks pretty specific to the bills in play right now. I like that the plan would be "veto" by the President, but it should never pass the senate, so very unlikely to make it to his desk. The 2A is getting kicked and beaten with all these leftists nuts and the unconstitutional nonsense. SCOTUS has to step it up. Time to flush out the crap.

I believe this to be quite true. And that showdown could be coming soon.

I think it's SCOTUS or bust. What else really is there? Aside from moving to a "free state", which is in the plans for me sometime down the road but that shouldn't be the way. Disgrace all around.

While I can agree, it really unnerves me that it has to be thought of this way.

Agree. The wife and I are starting the convo of exit strategy. Still have the kids and some ties here, so may be a bit tricky near-term but it's on the "list". In the meantime, I'm hoping a SCOTUS re-adjustment of 2A can put these NJ hacks back in line. IMHO, the legislative branches in government have been unchecked and unbalanced by the judicial branch in some time. We are due.

Welcome aboard.

This is sickening. Much like Steve Scalise being "silenced" during anti-gun legislative debate last week in DC. It's all a one-sided political farce. Got to vote this non-sense out of office. SCOTUS is the only hope since these jackals are running amok.

Yes sir. Wife was back here and had been texting me all morning about the winds. She thought I should re-schedule. I took a chance and stayed the course with my originally booked flight (10:30 departure). I thought for sure my daughter and I would be delayed at some point. But we arrived at the airport nice and early and figured if we got pushed, we'd just try to wait it out. To our surprise, we boarded on time and left on-time. Others we were with had later flights and they got delayed. Some made it back last night, others ended up in North Carolina. The last 15 minutes of flight was quite a ride I will say. Aircraft was up, down, & side-to-side. Again, major props to all those pilots yesterday. It was a handful. Oh, one more note -- ATL on Monday mornings should be avoided at all costs. Took over an hour and a half to go through TSA checkpoint.

So to close out my overall experience, I left yesterday morning from ATL back to EWR. I checked in via the agent ticket counter and declared an unloaded firearm in my checked luggage. The agent asked me to open my luggage so they could see my small hard-sided locked case. I was "not" asked to unlock the case at the counter. I filled out the declaration card and the agent affixed it to the hard-sided case. I was then instructed to go the the TSA screening office at the far end of the terminal. I was not escorted as I was when I departed out of EWR. Once at the TSA screening office, they asked me to bring in my bag and open it. The agent then took my padlock keys and asked that I stand by the door (which remained open during the entire process) while he unlocked the firearm case and inspected it visually. I did not see if physically remove the firearm or anything else within the case. He re-locked the case and asked me back in to close up my luggage. I was done and they took the bag from there to be processed by the airline for stowage. Once back to EWR, I went directly to the baggage claim office where I was told my bag would arrive shortly. It did, and I was on my way. No tie wraps as was the case in ATL upon arrival there. Again thanks to all for the help and advise. It went well and took just only a small added amount of time. BTW -- A major kudos to my pilots (and all of them who flew in/out of EWR) yesterday afternoon. The high winds were brutal below 10K feet during approach. Those pilots needed "grips of steel" on the stick. Yep. All good.

Correct. My bag went to the baggage claim office in EWR. The gentlemen confirmed my bag tags and my ID and I was on my way.

Great point. ATL is huge. From gate to baggage was a good ass-haul. Best to keep bags with firearms separate from those with ill intents. And yes any special tagging can intice some to grab and go. I like the policy and would advocate all airlines to do so with firearms. It makes perfect sense security wise and to boot the chances of your luggage getting “lost” is somewhat reduced. You think an airline wants the “oh shit we lost the bag with a firearm” press??

I dream of a Murphy/Grewal slap down. Overreach of government needs to end.

Valid point. However I think with Gorsuch and Kavanaugh on board now, they may press the states harder to make the case against 2A rights of the people. Again my hope and wish, by no means a given. Agree with you that they may stay in a holding pattern with NJ as they review the NYC case. If by some miracle they rule the NYC case favorably for those folks we could be a “carry”over in NJ depending on the case wording. Stay hopeful and strong i guess.

According to the Delta website on firearms or shooting equipment it all goes to special handling area. May be a new thing but actually gets you bag out sooner. Almost like priority when I traveled first/business class. So no complaint there. Took less than 2 minutes to collect right adjacent to the carousel. My only unexpected thing was the tie wraps. It’s not like I can carry scissors or a pocket knife on the flight to get my bag open so that was a bit odd.

I think I like this move by SCOTUS. They seem to be forcing NJ arrogance on this. By NJ "not" filing the brief from the outset, sends a message that they (NJ) think they "know better" on the matter than the SCOTUS. Hope it bites them in the rear. I am optimistic of the chances that between NYC and NJ carry cases, we may get our rights back. I've recently seen a few other state lawmakers go constitutional carry/permit-less carry. I hope SCOTUS is paying attention there as well as they hear the NYC case. Here's hoping.

All good. Everything went super fine on my trip down. Arrived to Delta ticket counter, declared unloaded firearm, completed declaration card. I was informed to pick up my luggage in the special handling area at ATL. Agent supervisor escorted me to screening area. Asked for my padlock keys and asked for me to wait. 5-8 minutes later, I was good to go. Keys returned to me. Once arrived at ATL went to special baggage area and was given my bag, no ID needed, just ticket tag for bag. They did tie-wrap my suitcase around the entire outside and even did a little tie-wrap at the zippers. Had to get a scissor from my hotel desk to cut them off. BTW, I had no problem leaving an unloaded mag in the well and was not required to cable lock back the slide. Will be heading back to EWR tomorrow, so hoping for a similar non-event experience. Thanks to all for the helpful tips.

Delta to Atlanta

Thanks. My new travel case is a bit small, but that was my objective. So with an empty mag in the well, it saves a little space. I could probably make another spot in the case for it. I would think they will inspect/X-ray the case so as long as the mag in ammo-free I would hope it would comply. If not, I'll adjust as may be needed. Not a fan of locking the slide for any real length of time, but if it's a short duration flight, that makes sense as well. I have a cable lock. Cheers.