ok so i have this new rifle will shoot it wed.. but i have SO many questions...

 

1. the stock is fine for now.. but i want one as short as it will go pinned of course.. my really small g/f will be shooting the weapon and the length is really long now.. so how do i deal with this.. ive already started to take a look at how it works.. and it looks like even if i removed the pin.. slid it forward and repined everything it could still only go about an inch forward because the buffer tube? is longer than it should be..i would like to get an additional stock setup that is pinned in its shortest legal configuration.. i understand swapping stocks back and forth is not difficult?

 

2. i need iron sights as it came with only a reflex sight but i want to put my aimpoint on this and be able to co-witness.. so what iron sights are the right height to allow co-witness.. right now there is a bsa reflex sight.. don't know if this sight is garbage?

 

3. don't need right now but how do i determine what front hand guards will work with this weapon..

 

i think thats it for now.. thanks in advance...

Maybe a RRA Entry buttstock will be short enough. Take a look at one on their web site.

Maybe a RRA Entry buttstock will be short enough. Take a look at one on their web site.

 

when they pin the stock... is there any method to their madness?

The entry buttstock is not pinned. Its a solid stock just like an A2 only short. They are nice.

 

http://www.mapartsinc.com/productsDetail.asp?id=648

i actually read a lot over the past day... i think i need a shorter buffer tube..

If you are looking for a shorter stock, I highly recommend the Sully Stock from Defensive Edge. It's a bit on the pricey side, but it is built like a tank. I have one and its great for myself and my wife.

 

It comes with the shorter buffer tube, buffer, spring, and screws.

http://prostores2.carrierzone.com/servlet/defensive-edgenet/-strse-83/Sully-Stock/Detail

If you are looking for a shorter stock, I highly recommend the Sully Stock from Defensive Edge. It's a bit on the pricey side, but it is built like a tank. I have one and its great for myself and my wife.

 

It comes with the shorter buffer tube, buffer, spring, and screws.

http://prostores2.carrierzone.com/servlet/defensive-edgenet/-strse-83/Sully-Stock/Detail

 

ive decided on this.. but i need to figure out what to do with the buffer tube..

 

http://www.eguns.com/sPearCat/1-4.woa/1 ... R15+Stocks

If you are looking for a shorter stock, I highly recommend the Sully Stock from Defensive Edge. It's a bit on the pricey side, but it is built like a tank. I have one and its great for myself and my wife.

 

It comes with the shorter buffer tube, buffer, spring, and screws.

http://prostores2.carrierzone.com/servlet/defensive-edgenet/-strse-83/Sully-Stock/Detail

 

I find myself in a similar dillemma in that I'd like something other than the A2 stock that came on my Bushmaster. I currently have an ACE stock on it and find the strap stud a little lacking in robustness. Any idea how long the length of pull is w/ the Skully? I've also got the ACE entry stock and find it too short where the regular ACE stock is too long.

ok so i have this new rifle will shoot it wed.. but i have SO many questions...

 

1. the stock is fine for now.. but i want one as short as it will go pinned of course.. my really small g/f will be shooting the weapon and the length is really long now.. so how do i deal with this.. ive already started to take a look at how it works.. and it looks like even if i removed the pin.. slid it forward and repined everything it could still only go about an inch forward because the buffer tube? is longer than it should be..i would like to get an additional stock setup that is pinned in its shortest legal configuration.. i understand swapping stocks back and forth is not difficult?...

 

I can't see pictures of your rifle since I'm answering this from the work computer. Make sure your gun is empty!!!! If you currently have the A2 stock ( same stock that is on a fullsize AR15/M-16), it's very easy to remove. There are a couple of screws on the back of stock where it rests against your arm. Remove the top one and slide off the stock. Push out the pin holding the receiver halves together and fold open. In the bottom receiver looking toward the stock area, you'll see the buffer. There is a small spring loaded detent pin pushing up from the bottom. Depress and release buffer and recoil spring. You should be able to twist off the buffer tube from the receiver body.

 

If you have a fixed telescoping stock, you may have to remove the existing stock and replace w/ a new real telescoping stock, set to your desired position and pin. I remember reading that in order for a fixed telescoping stock to be BATF legal, the pin itself can only be accessable from one side of the stock body. In other words you can't just pop it out. You may have to drill it out.... hence the need for a new telescoping stock.

 

2. i need iron sights as it came with only a reflex sight but i want to put my aimpoint on this and be able to co-witness.. so what iron sights are the right height to allow co-witness.. right now there is a bsa reflex sight.. don't know if this sight is garbage?...

 

I believe most rear sights are setup more or less to the same height. The front sight is where you might run into some small problems. If your running a standard front sight base (the kind that looks stock on an M-16 or M4), I believe they come in mil-spec "F" marked and then the other option is the commercial variants. I know my Bushmaster has the commercial front sight base. Not a big deal as the rear sight can compensate or you can get a longer front sight post. I'm running an LMT fixed rear sight and do not have problems w/ the Bushmaster front sight base. Having said that I also have a S&W M&P T that comes with Troy fold down front and rear sights. These are really nice and have a very positive lock to them. I've read a convincing thread, at least to me, that if you're not giong to be magnifying anything, use a fixed rear sight to cowitness your optic. If using magnified, then use fold down sights. You mentioned that want to co-witness an Aimpoint. Cowitnessing ability will be dependent on the mount you use. I'm using a LaRue mount that co-witnesses the irons in the lower 1/3 or the viewable area of the Aimpoint. In other words the irons will be sighting slightly below the Aimpoint dot, but still easily viewable in the Aimpoints window. My buddy runs an Eotech on his Bushmaster M-4 and it is a true co-witness where the center dot of the Eotech perfectly sits right on top of his front sight. Personal preference comes into play here. I've read pros/cons for both setups. Again, your cowitenssing ability will be determined by the height of mount you use, not the sights you use.

 

3. don't need right now but how do i determine what front hand guards will work with this weapon..

 

i think thats it for now.. thanks in advance...

 

Do you want to free float or not? Do you want to mount stuff to the handguards like a flashlight, laser, etc.? If you want basic and don't need to attach stuff, the new Magpul MOE handguards have been getting rave reviews and are really cheap.. I believe about $40 or so, maybe less. My buddy runs Troy non-free float handguards that have the rails. They ran about $140 or so and are pretty solid. He mounts a flashlight in a LaRue mount off the right side and it's a nice setup. Yankee Hill and Midwest Industries also make decent handguards in this price class. If you want free float (where the handguards are not touching the front of the barrel and allows the barrel to be free floated... better accuracy by 1/8 to 1/2 MOA depending on other factors...ammo and barrel quality), then for the better brands, you're easily over $250 or so, some are pushing over $300. Again, sorry I can't see the pic of your rifle, so I don't know what kind of gas system you're running, but they generally come in Carbine lengh (7"), Midlength (9") and Rifle (12"). The "length" is really determined by the gas system's gas tube length. Most require some assembly onto the barrel nut, some replace the barrel nut, some require the removal of the front sight base and muzzle device. Top tier brands are Troy, Larue, Daniel Defence and Knights Reed. 2nd tier brands are generally Yankee Hill and Midwest Industries (MI). Generally the top tier stuff is lighter, requires less 'smithing for install and true Picitinity rails. Don't get too hung up on which "tier" company your buying. I've never seen a legitimate argument that says Yankee Hill or MI is truly inferior. Also, other options here would be the extended rail system, where you're not using a standard front sight base but are having the rail go over the gas port and your front sight is bolted to the rail itself. Also, Daniel Defense makes a rail that has a hole for the front sight base and extends past it another inch or two.... so many choices. I will say, that any metal rail sytem will add forward weight to your rifle. You can easily turn a lighweight M4 style carbine into something weighty by adding lots of stuff.

 

Spend some time on AR15.com and M4carbine.net. Do some searching around and you'll come up w/ more questions than you have now.

 

Hope this helps...

The Ace stock that you mention (ARFX-E) is designed to be used with a CAR/M4 buffer and spring. I'm not 100% on this, but isn't that what the M&P15 has. Since the shop you linked to doesn't have any in stock I checked ACE and they seem to have them, you get you choice of pad thickness with them too; ACE ARFX-E.

 

 

 

 

 

PS +1 On what rauchman said about AR15.com and M4carbine.net.

 

 

 

 

If you are looking for a shorter stock, I highly recommend the Sully Stock from Defensive Edge. It's a bit on the pricey side, but it is built like a tank. I have one and its great for myself and my wife.

 

It comes with the shorter buffer tube, buffer, spring, and screws.

http://prostores2.carrierzone.com/servlet/defensive-edgenet/-strse-83/Sully-Stock/Detail

 

ive decided on this.. but i need to figure out what to do with the buffer tube..

 

http://www.eguns.com/sPearCat/1-4.woa/1 ... R15+Stocks

some parts came.. pics soon.. im pretty excited.. lol