I can't remember if it's exactly A1 length, or just close to it.. but yeah.. it's an option I guess. The Sullys are pricey (and a bit heavy). I have yet to install the one I have cuz I'm waiting on a lower for it. Def let us know how you like the Cav.

 

Sure. For $30 it was worth taking a chance. If it's no good I can get a Rock River A2 for the same price and still have spent less than the Sully.

you can have a 6 P stock but it has to be pinned in place : (

can the 6p stock be pinned in any position? or does it have to be fully open?

any position as long as you do not go below OAL restrictions.

so thats a 26" overall length?

You can't make an AR stock too short. The stock needs to be 2.5" long to have an AOL of over 26".

Hey Paul - would you mind expanding on that a little? I'm a little confused on what you mean by "the stock"? Do you mean that a collapsible stock needs to be pinned at least 2.5" from the receiver? Or that you can literally have a stock that's 2.5" long??

Hey Paul - would you mind expanding on that a little? I'm a little confused on what you mean by "the stock"? Do you mean that a collapsible stock needs to be pinned at least 2.5" from the receiver? Or that you can literally have a stock that's 2.5" long??

If you measure from the tip of a 16" barrel back toward the stock, it only takes a couple inches to reach the 26" minimum.

so a 6 position stock pinned fully open is legal, pinned full contracted is legal, all 4 positions inbetween is legal, but to go between the 6 positions is illegal?

so a 6 position stock pinned fully open is legal, pinned full contracted is legal, all 4 positions inbetween is legal, but to go between the 6 positions is illegal?

 

 

Right! What a joke of a state we live in! :evil:

you can literally have a stock that's 2.5" long??

If you measure from the tip of a 16" barrel back toward the stock, it only takes a couple inches to reach the 26" minimum.

 

Good to know! Thanks Paul

How do you guys "pin" a collapsable stock?

 

Is it as easy as drilling a hole and using a SS roll pin?

 

Any close up pics?

 

Thank for the help.

 

MSax

How do you guys "pin" a collapsable stock?

 

Is it as easy as drilling a hole and using a SS roll pin?

 

Any close up pics?

 

Thank for the help.

 

MSax

 

 

That's one way, cut the pin a bit smaller then the length of the hole then fill it in with black epoxy on both sides.

It can also be reversed with some minor drilling if you ever get the hell out of NJ.

how long has this law been in effect? when the last 'assault weapons ban' lifted, i bought a 4 position right out of CTD, no problems. is this stock now technically illegal?

It is not illegal for you to buy or posses a collapsible stock only to use it on a "ASSAULT" type weapon.

I just ordered one yesterday as I am building an AR, Before completed assembly it will have to be pinned.

so since its on my AR its 'illegal'?

Constructive Possession:

"Assault firearm" means a part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault firearm, or any combination of parts from which an assault firearm may be readily assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person.

I don't get it... if a collapsible stock never goes below the minimum length requirement, then how is it illegal?

I don't get it... if a collapsible stock never goes below the minimum length requirement, then how is it illegal?

 

If it is not pinned.

I don't get it... if a collapsible stock never goes below the minimum length requirement, then how is it illegal?

Why can't we have bayonet lugs? or threaded barrels? or flash hiders? or any number of the things that everyone else gets to enjoy? Cuz it's NJ :-P I'm waiting for the day red dot sights are made illegal...

Constructive Possession.

 

Wouldn't having a pin in there be considered "constructive possession"? I mean it would take little more than a punch pin and the back of a screwdriver to drive a pin out, allowing you to "construct" an evil assault weapon.

 

PK90, my frustration in no way aimed at you.

 

But....Oh forget it!!! I give up. I've never been able to confirm one way or the other if/how you can pin a collapsable stock from anyone with any sense of confidence. Some say you can use a roll pin, some say the manufacturer needs to do it, others have thier own interpretation.

 

My solution.....I'm just goint to slap on an ACE Skeleton stock and avoid any questions what so ever. Its just not worth going to jail over IMHO.

 

The gun laws in this State are simply idiotic and purposely confusing.

 

What ever happened to the statement that ".....the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."!??!?!

 

I definitely feel infringed, damn it!

 

MSax

I am perfectly confident in saying drilling a hole using a roll pin and filling it in with Black epoxy is just fine.

I know at least 2 01ffl gunsmiths that have done it this way for customers. Yes it can be removed but it is considered

permanent since the stock is fixed. I can tell you how to make an AK into FA in about 30 minutes but they are still legal in

their correct configuration. Just do not alter the completed work and you are fine.

 

Forgot to mention I have meet one of the local State Police 01 inspectors at more then one occasion at Shore shot

I have bounced many questions of his head and he should know the answers. Last time I ran into him he was buying a

lower receiver and having the stock measured to be pinned. Not sure why since he is LE but I guess he follows the rules

for his personal arsenal.

I've heard from my FFL that "permanent" in the eyes of the NJ laws is that it can't be removed easily. Say for instance.. take a screwdriver and take the pin out (conceivably during a gunfight).. now say if you take a pin and put epoxy/JB weld in it.. then your going to have to get tools and work at it to get it out, so that would probably be ok.

 

Just for what it's worth.. :mrgreen:

This sucks! :evil:

youre telling me. apparently, you can buy a collapsible stock, own it, but cant put it on an AR? WTF??? why would you even buy a collapsible stock just to pin it anyway?

 

what are the chances of getting into trouble if you brought said stock to a range?

youre telling me. apparently, you can buy a collapsible stock, own it, but cant put it on an AR? WTF??? why would you even buy a collapsible stock just to pin it anyway?

 

what are the chances of getting into trouble if you brought said stock to a range?

It doesn't really matter what the "chances" are. It's illegal, and it's still illegal even if you don't get caught.

 

Yeah, the law is stupid and pointless, but it's the law.

youre telling me. apparently, you can buy a collapsible stock, own it, but cant put it on an AR? WTF??? why would you even buy a collapsible stock just to pin it anyway?

 

The same reason people buy quad rails and put lazers, lights and other BS all over their

weapons for looks and another is for comfort the post ban solid stocks can be uncomfortable for some depending on your size. I am 6' 3" log reach so measuring and pinning my own makes for a way better fit.

youre telling me. apparently, you can buy a collapsible stock, own it, but cant put it on an AR? WTF??? why would you even buy a collapsible stock just to pin it anyway?

 

what are the chances of getting into trouble if you brought said stock to a range?

 

Actually, if you own an AR (assumed with a pistol grip), and an un-pinned collapsible stock, then the constructive possession clause that PK90 quoted could apply.

 

So basically, if you have all the parts to make a "NJ Assault Rifle".. then you can be considered to have an illegal "Assault Rifle" even though the parts are not configured as such.

Actually, if you own an AR (assumed with a pistol grip), and an un-pinned collapsible stock, then the constructive possession clause that PK90 quoted could apply

 

Work fast.

why would you even buy a collapsible stock just to pin it anyway?

Depending on the particular stock some reasons might be length of pull... weight... battery storage... sling attachment points... CDI factor...