So tomorrow it will be 6 weeks exactly since I applied for my FID and handgun permit. During this time not once, but on BOTH references they tried claiming the addresses for my references were bad.

 

First one they claimed didn't exist even though, BY ADDRESS, I can bring up the house on Google Maps' satellite view and I made them resend it. Sure enough he got it.

 

The other one they tried claiming the zip code was wrong even though I verified on the UNITED STATES POSTAL SERVICE's website it was in fact correct. The letter they sent me on the second one also included the envelope that was supposedly returned to them. Being the son of a 2nd generation postal employee I know how the post office does things with returns and this envelope did NOT go through the post office. The postage is suppose to be invalidated with a stamp and instead on the bottom of the envelope it had a sticker that looked like it was run through a cheap label printer that said "return to sender." I made them resend it and sure enough he got it.

 

Both friends came over my house and handed to me their envelopes with postage and everything. I delivered them to the public mailbox myself to ensure it got sent.

 

Now I was out all last week on a business trip to SoCal so I pretty much gave them an extra week. Get home last night, checked my mail and no letter. I tried calling twice today and got dropped to a voicemail each time. The police sure seem to be willing to take my money and push me through their process, but not willing what so ever to do their f*cking end of the process. It really feels like my 2A Rights are being dicked around with and I'm not happy in the least. I tried looking for the local NRA office, but out off all of the numbers listed on anjrpc.org I'm not sure who is appropriate to call or if I should call at all because I'm worried they might deny me my FID out of spite for getting the NRA involved.

What town are you in?

 

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Woodbrige

OK, I have never heard of anything regarding Woodbridge, so you will be the test sample!

It stinks but unless you have the resources to bring suit against the PD you're at their mercy.

 

It took me 103 days(14 weeks).

Yeah that's good and all, but... should I get the NRA involved on this? I'm worried the police may turn around deny me my FID for doing so out of spite.

Is there an NRA in New Jersey ? I don't see no stinkin NRA in New Jersey , but they take my dues every year.

Is there an NRA in New Jersey ? I don't see no stinkin NRA in New Jersey , but they take my dues every year.

 

http://www.anjrpc.org

 

They're supposedly the local NRA and have the contact info for the local NRA field rep in their contacts section.

I also live in Woobridge, and got mine a few years back. They did the same thing because one of my Ref. was from Edison and I litsted the Zip code wrong, but otherwise, have had no problems. Even my wife got hers back pretty quick. I got my second pistol permit back within a couple of weeks.

It took about 12 weeks for me to get mine.. and that was without any complications like wrong zip codes or what not. Granted, was in a different town. Keep in mind, the process involves more than just your local PD.

Just my opinion, but, at 6 weeks, I'd wait a bit longer before resorting to bringing in reinforcements.

Being the son of a 2nd generation postal employee

 

Got any connections in the post office? I'm still waiting for 22 weeks for an item send from NJ. Unfortunately it is a unique item and can't be replaced.

 

Permits are not a priority in any way. They are routinely done on a time available basis. all you can do is have patience because nothing else will speed it up.

I also live in Woobridge, and got mine a few years back. They did the same thing because one of my Ref. was from Edison and I litsted the Zip code wrong, but otherwise, have had no problems. Even my wife got hers back pretty quick. I got my second pistol permit back within a couple of weeks.

 

Heh lucky you. All the information I gave them was correct the first time I handed it to them as I triple checked everything before handing in the paperwork. It just really feels like I'm being dicked around with.

 

It took about 12 weeks for me to get mine.. and that was without any complications like wrong zip codes or what not. Granted, was in a different town. Keep in mind, the process involves more than just your local PD.

Just my opinion, but, at 6 weeks, I'd wait a bit longer before resorting to bringing in reinforcements.

 

This is the digital age. It doesn't take weeks or even months to pull up someone's information, hell cops do it in their squad car when they pull you over and check your ID on their laptops! Hell I could probably pull up more info by putting someone's name into Google and data mining their Myspace/Facebook pages. If this was 10 - 20 years ago I would agree without a doubt, but in this day and age just about every gov't agency is connected. If you manage to get a warrant for your arrest EVERY station knows about it the moment its processed. To me, the information wait is more of an excuse then anything else.

Being the son of a 2nd generation postal employee

 

Got any connections in the post office? I'm still waiting for 22 weeks for an item send from NJ. Unfortunately it is a unique item and can't be replaced.

 

Permits are not a priority in any way. They are routinely done on a time available basis. all you can do is have patience because nothing else will speed it up.

 

Sadly none that can find a missing package, sorry. Only thing i can say is don't ship packages via the USPS.

 

And honestly the law does put a priority on permits, that priority is 30 days. Simple fact is, they're breaking/bending the law to their own benefit and we as a whole let them get away with it.

The 30 days is a guideline, not a law. It already went to court and was determined that the 30 days begins once they get all your paperwork back from the state, not when you hand in the paperwork. So they're not breaking any laws by going months on end. Its rediculous yes, but thank the judges on this one.

Sadly none that can find a missing package, sorry

 

Only kidding on that. It was a unique item I found on EBay and really wanted it. I've seen the post office and UPS operation in Hudson County. With the massive amount of items that go through those facilities they do a pretty good job. But from time to time, things go haywire. Some of the automated validation programs do not work perfectly and have told me an address didn't exist. UPS once told me my address didn't exist after delivering here more than once.

So work decided to add to my agitation today so I decided to get food and find my quiet place to think. Ended up visiting the Rahway Firearms Guild to look at their selection of guns and asked them since they are locals how long Woodbridge usually takes with the FID's. I was told 2 months. >=/ So now that I'm getting food in my stomach I decided that I'm going to give them another two weeks to get me my FID before I do anything considered drastic. Its just messed up how these things are handled.

The 30 days is a guideline, not a law. It already went to court and was determined that the 30 days begins once they get all your paperwork back from the state, not when you hand in the paperwork. So they're not breaking any laws by going months on end. Its rediculous yes, but thank the judges on this one.

 

WSL, would love to see a source or case cite for that if you have it.

Well as said before every town is not the same. I hear that with Edison, Even though you apply for your FID the first time. They make you go through the finger printing and background check again if you want to apply for another hand gun purchase permit after 2 years thereafter. I guess just another way for them to make a buck. I didn't belive it at first untill one of my co-workers showed me the townships application instructions.

They make you go through the finger printing and background check again

 

How do you figure that they make money on that process? The check and funds go to the state and fingerprinting fees are minimal. In any case, that is a guideline from the state. It is optional but allowed. One issue is that NCIC cannot be used for application and employment processes by state law.

So i got a phone call this morning as I was getting ready for work, according to them the FBI put a 3 month freeze on ID checks so I wouldn't even get my paperwork looked at till sometime in October. Honestly this sounds like the common excuse I hear about with stations trying to push off the blame so you won't bother them about it because they have a lot of applicants and/or a shortage of staff. I'm not happy in the least.

WOW - first time I've heard that one. If that is true, that REALLY sux. I'd prob call the state police and ask them if they know anything about that

So i got a phone call this morning as I was getting ready for work, according to them the FBI put a 3 month freeze on ID checks so I wouldn't even get my paperwork looked at till sometime in October. Honestly this sounds like the common excuse I hear about with stations trying to push off the blame so you won't bother them about it because they have a lot of applicants and/or a shortage of staff. I'm not happy in the least.

 

Never heard that before. during the time frame right after 9-11 much did slow or stop. As far as a "hold", never heard that. Did he possibly mean an estimated turnaround time?

Call them back.

 

Ask them for the FBI document number so that you can take it up with your representative(insert his name here). Be polite.

 

edit to add: If they don't have that (and they won't) just ask them who signed it, what is his dept and title so that your rep can contact him directly.

Never heard that before. during the time frame right after 9-11 much did slow or stop. As far as a "hold", never heard that. Did he possibly mean an estimated turnaround time?

 

Nope, she said there's a 3 month hold on all inquiries that weren't top priority put in place by the Feds. I think I'm going to call the NRA rep tomorrow and see if they know anything about this. With all I've been through during this process I'm pretty much convinced they're purposely dicking around with my 2A rights.

The 30 days is a guideline, not a law. It already went to court and was determined that the 30 days begins once they get all your paperwork back from the state, not when you hand in the paperwork. So they're not breaking any laws by going months on end. Its rediculous yes, but thank the judges on this one.

 

WSL, would love to see a source or case cite for that if you have it.

 

Here ya go. Adler v. Lidvak

 

http://lawlibrary.rutgers.edu/decisions ... 6.opn.html

 

Basically they give the chiefs enough time to get all the information they desire, overruling the 30 day statute since in some cases the fingerprints and background checks won't be back in 30 days. But by overruling, it also gave chiefs the ability to delay for no reason at all, then give the excuse that the background checks were delayed. Huge loophole that doesn't work in our favor.

I think you should just be a little more patient. They are probably telling you things are on hold because you called twice in one day and others may have also called as well. Mine took about 85 days in Delran, NJ.

ron this easier said than done but relax. NJ is not gun friendly and some towns take 9 months (Toms River). There is nothing you can do it is a lose lose situation. It sucks to wait but do you want to hassle the PD and get labeled as THAT guy?

Nobody should be waiting longer than one month for a permit.

 

Solution: Overlap the permits. Just go in once each month and request another one.

 

You will get one every 30 days. Throw it away if you don't use it. $2 bucks.

I think you should just be a little more patient. They are probably telling you things are on hold because you called twice in one day and others may have also called as well. Mine took about 85 days in Delran, NJ.

 

I only left one message though, figured they were out to lunch the other time so I didn't leave one. Its not like I left a bunch of messages filling up their inbox and I was considerate with the voicemail I did leave.

 

ron this easier said than done but relax. NJ is not gun friendly and some towns take 9 months (Toms River). There is nothing you can do it is a lose lose situation. It sucks to wait but do you want to hassle the PD and get labeled as THAT guy?

 

The wait wouldn't be so bad if it didn't feel like I've been dicked around with this whole 6 weeks. First the reference issues and now this bs? My patience is wearing thin and I have the patience of a saint according to everyone I know (hell I don't even really get road rage).