OK this is going to be a, you guys are to build my AR, and I spend the money This will be an ongoing thread, and hopefully it'll be a fun experience.

 

Wants:

 

Long range- longest range I have is 300 but I want to be able to shoot way farther because I have a farm that I can shoot on that I will do every once in a while. So long range is a must!

 

Caliber (happy Dan!!!) I'm open to all suggestions. Price of caliber isn't going to be a huge deciding factor as I plan to reload my own ammo but obviously some ammo is better than others. This is going to be doing a lot of target shooting, but I would entertain the thought of taking this gun hunting as I think it would be funny / fun. Right now the only rifle I have is in 7mm-08, I have a Mosin coming so thats a 7.62x54r but I'm open to all, give me ideas.

 

Outside of that I know nothing else so school me with what I am going to need.

 

M

6.5 Grendel, I'll build one with you.

As far as caliber goes, I don't think there's anything wrong, or subpar, with 5.56/223. You can train a monkey to shoot 500 yds with iron sights. Slap a scope on your build and you can go even farther. But the standard, 308 is an excellent round as well. Why not build both? You can't go wrong with either.

 

My recommendation: 223. Only because that is what I am most comfortable with. It is light to carry and has good terminal ballistics for its mass.

Anyone have a side by side comparison between the different calibers with distance and accuracy???

 

Price points between 6.5grendal, .223 etc with the parts or no real difference?

http://www.shootingtimes.com/ballistics/ballistic-tables/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6.5_Grendel

Thanks a good link Ben but all of that stuff is gibberish to me.

 

I need the dumbed down version called the, this shoots this far and is this accurate, etc etc LOL

http://www.6mmbr.com/65grendel.html

Hmm, if all you're looking for is accuracy, tbtrout's recommendation would be the better choice. I've never shot a sub-2 inch group at 660 yds! Holy cow, that is good. Don't know of any site that gives summarized performance analysis.

that video on that page is wicked. He goes if you can see it, you'll hit it at over a 1000 yards haha thats fantastic!!!

 

OK where do I start looking for some sexy parts??

Oh BTW,

 

You should not have any problems finding parts for something like the 6.5 Grendel, but remember, the 5.56 is the standard. A lot more options.

Ammo will be more too, but you will be a reloader by then.

 

You could also build a lower and get a 223 and a 6.5 upper and switch. Or buy two lowers like me. 223 for Tammy and 6.5 Grendel for me

Ammo will be more too, but you will be a reloader by then.

 

You could also build a lower and get a 223 and a 6.5 upper and switch. Or buy two lowers like me. 223 for Tammy and 6.5 Grendel for me

 

I'm going to be scraping together pennies to build one complete gun Mr. Tim, there is NO WAY I will be building two, unless you want to fund the second. How hard is it to switch uppers. Like see I have no idea what your talking about. I can build a lower, and swap out the uppers and mags?

what kinda twist do I want in my barrel too btw?

 

And dammn 900 bucks for a complete alexander arms upper PHEW

what length barrel should I be looking at as well

Twist depends on load and caliber. Are you going with the 6.5? The longer the barrel, the better, i.e. for accuracy.

wow you want a lot of info. type 6.5 Grendel and you will get a lot of info in google. Also look for a review by Zak Smith.

http://www.sabredefence.com/commercial.php?focus=upper

White oak upper. nuff said.

what length barrel should I be looking at as well

 

At least a 20"

 

I know they make them longer but they get harder to find and become more expensive.

 

You have to look at the ballistics of the round you choose and the twist and the grain of the bullet you intend to fire.

 

My suggestion is to not worry about anything over 300 yards and any of the calibers will do just fine. The 6.5 grendel looks tasty. The Grendel bullet is generally at least 50% larger but travels only about 10% slower. That'll put a good whallop in anything.

Awesome side note. I unknowingly met Bill Alexander (designer of 6.5 Gren and .50 Beowulf) at a range in VA. He was torture testing a .50 Beowulf and we got to talking. Nice guy.

Just MHO, but I say .223/5.56. 300yds is more than do-able. A nice heavy bullet with a stainless match barrel, and you'll have yourself a tack driver with very little recoil. But, even 16" barrels are capable of surprising accuracy. Noveske stainless barrels, for example, are known for their superb accuracy. Not to mention how much easier it will be to find ammo. I know you said you'll be reloading, but, unless you're all set up for that already and have the time to churn out the rounds, you're probably gonna wanna shoot more than you can reload in the beginning. But I don't reload, so I could very well be wrong on that.

 

6.5 is very very interesting ballistically, as is 6.8spc. But for a first AR? I dunno.. not that way I'd go unless you have a very specific reason for doing it.

 

That said, if you ever wanna play with my ARs to get a better idea of the parts, just let me know and I'll bring them out to CR.

this stuff is confusing, m4 flatop m5flatop some thing thats not a m4 or m5 that cost like 1700 dollars. Its all gibberish, apparently I have a lot of reading to do.

 

Maks, spell it out for me, what would you do if you were building one based on my requirements buddy

Its all gibberish, apparently I have a lot of reading to do.

Check out the sticky at the top of the AR section on here. There's some good links in there that will point you in the right direction.

White oak upper. nuff said.

 

 

I checked these guys out last night, they have amazing prices for an excellent quality product. The only thing I'm confused about is they don't list the available calibers or can you get any caliber you need since they make them all custom??

 

M

White Oak Armament lists 223, 204, and 6.8 as available complete uppers.

White Oak Armament lists 223, 204, and 6.8 as available complete uppers.

 

Well that just isn't going to work for me

Well it looks like I am going to be getting a White Oak Match upper in .223 from the price point, I just can't go wrong with it. They offer free anodizing on the fore grip, should I get pink to support the forums guys??

 

Now I gotta figure out what to do for the lower hmpf

Well it looks like I am going to be getting a White Oak Match upper in .223 from the price point, I just can't go wrong with it. They offer free anodizing on the fore grip, should I get pink to support the forums guys??

 

Now I gotta figure out what to do for the lower hmpf

 

No you don't. You just join up the NJGF group AR Lower buy. Spikes tactical sells the DPMS lower parts kit for $50. Voila!

I am by no means an AR guru, but it is my understanding that a lower is not a contributor to the accuracy of the rifle. I don't know that I would stress too hard over which lower you will choose, unless you have some desire for it to be 100% milspec or built from a different material.

The only major variability in the lower is what kind of trigger you install (crappy GI standard, single stage, double stage) and what kind of buttstock.

I would focus more on the upper. That is where you really want to make sure you're getting quality. From what knowledgeable people tell me, you won't be going wrong with White Oak.

already signed up for one lower lunker, I might actually put my name down for 2 as this is getting addicting QUICK! I think I am going for a match grade trigger probably a double something like a giesette or something similar.

 

Now the question is do I go with a govt, match or varmint upper for this beast of a gun bahhh too many choices.

 

 

I was actually just looking at a HOWA in .308 to use for long distance as well and maybe just build a 223 as an all around ar hmpfff too many choices